Received: from maia.hub.org (unknown [200.46.204.183]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2849632D33 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:20:03 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 99137-07 for ; Wed, 3 Mar 2010 02:19:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09666632DDE for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2010 22:19:53 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (pool-96-244-14-10.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net [96.244.14.10]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LlpLM-1NDJR43sqe-00ZHCw; Wed, 03 Mar 2010 03:19:50 +0100 Message-ID: <4B8DC73F.5060307@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:19:43 -0500 From: Greg Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Scott Marlowe CC: david@lang.hm, Francisco Reyes , Pgsql performance Subject: Re: 10K vs 15k rpm for analytics References: <4B8DA5DF.8060501@2ndquadrant.com> <4B8DB56B.3070905@2ndquadrant.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Q2hKdMrTihAXsOg9eZ2DnT8FVBAKzP1gVMZ8 QDPFQjkKp/hslcXasBArKBwRpiiNfzH+U17h0hEALIRsL64oFo 7/fWfUJY2ig0oJUu8df+k9X8tcry2JC X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.001 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_50=0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201003/50 X-Sequence-Number: 37875 Scott Marlowe wrote: > Time to do the ESD shuffle I think. > Nah, I keep the crazy drive around as an interesting test case. Fun to see what happens when I connect to a RAID card; very informative about how thorough the card's investigation of the drive is. > Our 15k5 > seagates have been great, with 2 failures in 32 drives in 1.5 years of > very heavy use. All our seagate SATAs, whether 500G or 2TB have been > the problem children. I've pretty much given up on Seagate SATA > drives. The new seagates we got are the consumer 7200.11 drives, but > at least they have the latest firmware and all. > Well, what I was pointing out was that all the 15K drives used to come out of this plant in Singapore, which is also where their good consumer drives used to come from too during the 2003-2007ish period where all their products were excellent. Then they moved the consumer production to this new location in Thailand, and all of the drives from there have been total junk. And as of August they closed the original plant, which had still been making the enterprise drives, altogether. So now you can expect the 15K drives to come from the same known source of garbage drives as everything else they've made recently, rather than the old, reliable plant. I recall the Singapore plant sucked for a while when it got started in the mid 90's too, so maybe this Thailand one will eventually get their issues sorted out. It seems like you can't just move a hard drive plant somewhere and have the new one work without a couple of years of practice first, I keep seeing this pattern repeat. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services and Support greg@2ndQuadrant.com www.2ndQuadrant.us