Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.29]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340851337B2F for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:13:26 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.29]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39000-01 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 00:13:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from lpo-relay-04.vmsinfo.com (lpo-relay-04.vmsinfo.com [216.169.137.115]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C904C133616B for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 20:13:18 -0400 (AST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.60,423,1291611600"; d="scan'208";a="28388380" Received: from unknown (HELO lpo-mailbox-01.vmsinfo.com) ([216.169.137.251]) by lpo-relay-04.vmsinfo.com with ESMTP; 03 Feb 2011 19:13:18 -0500 Received: from [10.101.43.35] (unknown [216.169.135.235]) by lpo-mailbox-01.vmsinfo.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 422CF7D00B; Thu, 3 Feb 2011 19:13:18 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4D4B449D.6080402@vmsinfo.com> Date: Thu, 03 Feb 2011 19:13:17 -0500 From: Mladen Gogala Organization: VMS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101027) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jd@commandprompt.com" CC: Kevin Grittner , Maciek Sakrejda , "sthomas@peak6.com" , "pgsql-performance@postgresql.org" Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Slow count(*) again... References: <201102012247.p11Ml6u02682@momjian.us> <4D48914B.4050403@dunslane.net> <4D489AD1.1010105@vmsinfo.com> <4D499E55.4020107@vmsinfo.com> <4D49A6B9.4060608@2ndquadrant.com> <4D49C482.4010707@vmsinfo.com> <4D49F0BA.9000901@2ndquadrant.com> <4D4A16BF.1020304@vmsinfo.com> <4D4A4844.3020409@2ndquadrant.com> <4D4AD9F6.6040903@vmsinfo.com> <4D4AE16E.9040807@peak6.com> <4D4B17B4.9030406@vmsinfo.com> <4D4B1F5B.4060403@peak6.com> <4D4B261B.6010303@vmsinfo.com> <4D4B2E8A.7010402@vmsinfo.com> <4D4ADF42020000250003A34C@gw.wicourts.gov> <4D4B3B41.7060803@vmsinfo.com> <1296777417.18411.97.camel@jd-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1296777417.18411.97.camel@jd-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.91 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201102/137 X-Sequence-Number: 42275 Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 18:33 -0500, Mladen Gogala wrote: > >> >> >>> >>> Exactly what we don't want. >>> >>> >> Who is "we"? >> > > The majority of long term hackers. > > If that is so, I don't see "world domination" in the future, exactly the opposite. Database whose creators don't trust their users cannot count on the very bright future. All other databases do have that feature. I must say, this debate gave me a good deal of stuff to think about. -- Mladen Gogala Sr. Oracle DBA 1500 Broadway New York, NY 10036 (212) 329-5251 http://www.vmsinfo.com The Leader in Integrated Media Intelligence Solutions