Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.251]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557C9133798E for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:56:39 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.251]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29434-03 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 13:56:32 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com (hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com [71.74.56.125]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EACE1336FA7 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 09:56:31 -0400 (AST) X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=3uSaImBeuprzHBlOOPjkqgu+7PcxSRW0m2Aphm9Zmck= c=1 sm=0 a=iCf4CIWKqigA:10 a=JRZeEW2aRuwA:10 a=nDOwLv4DKMQA:10 a=RAii6je2cdnAH6ATCOpc6g==:17 a=_Ixf_7qHAAAA:8 a=hwOL9MIhtd-WN3F0K0YA:9 a=HrfYd4Ac9SQVuthsEbL-YX2IAdQA:4 a=sOKxrc_Uve4A:10 a=ryAo9hy1-OkA:10 a=6vsjEBoLwlAA:10 a=0tfO7MgyNwYA:10 a=RAii6je2cdnAH6ATCOpc6g==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 74.73.87.196 Received: from [74.73.87.196] ([74.73.87.196:52615] helo=[192.168.1.100]) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 53/F7-04612-0950C4D4; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 13:56:32 +0000 Message-ID: <4D4C0590.1050609@vmsinfo.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 08:56:32 -0500 From: Mladen Gogala Reply-To: mladen.gogala@vmsinfo.com Organization: VMS User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20101213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?KOI8-U?Q?=F7=A6=D4=C1=CC=A6=CA_=F4=C9=CD=DE=C9=DB=C9=CE?= , pgsql-performance Subject: Re: Talking about optimizer, my long dream References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201102/180 X-Sequence-Number: 42318 ÷¦ÔÁÌ¦Ê ôÉÍÞÉÛÉÎ wrote: > Hi, all. > > All this optimizer vs hint thread There is no "optimizer vs. hint". Hints are a necessary part of the optimizer in all other databases. Without hints Postgres will not get used in the company that I work for, period. I was willing to wait but the fatwa against hints seems unyielding, so that's it. I am even inclined to believe that deep down under the hood, this fatwa has an ulterior motive, which disgusts me deeply. With hints, there would be far fewer consulting gigs. Mladen Gogala Sr. Oracle DBA 1500 Broadway New York, NY 10036 (212) 329-5251 www.vmsinfo.com