Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.251]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F38101336FA7 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:28:04 -0400 (AST) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.251]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40654-08 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:27:58 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917B3133616B for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2011 10:27:57 -0400 (AST) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (mail.highperformancepostgresql.com [71.179.240.8]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MZ7Vs-1PQWMj0Ds4-00L1nj; Fri, 04 Feb 2011 15:27:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4D4C0CEB.6050407@2ndquadrant.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2011 09:27:55 -0500 From: Greg Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100317) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mladen.gogala@vmsinfo.com CC: =?KOI8-U?Q?=F7=A6=D4=C1=CC=A6=CA_=F4=C9=CD=DE=C9=DB=C9=CE?= , pgsql-performance Subject: Re: Talking about optimizer, my long dream References: <4D4C0590.1050609@vmsinfo.com> In-Reply-To: <4D4C0590.1050609@vmsinfo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-U; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:LjGHmmD8VnphpQpqY47gOOta8O1KOrCgOjlORyUNnXv RGY/s2klvrVNLD3Yf48ouEshiqvb9DvDen+rQkK1nS+51z1El+ OZMjVroopj6y9K6jKsTAfy/IdaR2YAsYeJlbwUZy9GXfpR/Lx5 NioOy9d0ov6sbXxSLK/BTYtZ5oG0GZPUoBTzAMWrZK7k5YXUha 2px51bYnoEKC+34V/41V9k9ayRilA5/zUiNHTMW9es= X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201102/182 X-Sequence-Number: 42320 Mladen Gogala wrote: > I am even inclined to believe that deep down under the hood, this > fatwa has an ulterior motive, which disgusts me deeply. With hints, > there would be far fewer consulting gigs. Now you're just being rude. Given that you have direct access to the developers of the software, for free, on these mailing lists, the main reason there is consulting work anyway is because some companies can't publish their queries or data publicly. All of us doing PostgreSQL consulting regularly take those confidental reports and turn them into feedback to improve the core software. That is what our clients want, too: a better PostgreSQL capable of handling their problem, not just a hacked up application that works today, but will break later once data volume or distribution changes. You really just don't get how open-source development works at all if you think money is involved in why people have their respective technical opinions on controversial subjects. Try and hire the sometimes leader of this particular "fatwa", Tom Lane, for a consulting gig if you think that's where his motivation lies. I would love to have a recording of *that* phone call. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US greg@2ndQuadrant.com Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support www.2ndQuadrant.us "PostgreSQL 9.0 High Performance": http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/books