Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B523B5DBEF for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:50:57 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.243]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25609-01 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 15:50:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from smtp2.peak6.com (smtp2.peak6.com [38.98.137.9]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10FF8B5DBC9 for ; Wed, 22 Jun 2011 12:50:50 -0300 (ADT) X-AuditID: 0a02cb1e-b7b55ae000000a02-e2-4e020f587b52 Message-ID: <4E020F58.8090803@peak6.com> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 10:50:48 -0500 From: Shaun Thomas Reply-To: Organization: Peak6 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101210 Lightning/1.0b2 Thunderbird/3.1.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Smith CC: Merlin Moncure , Scott Marlowe , Yeb Havinga , Florian Weimer , Subject: Re: Contemplating SSD Hardware RAID References: <4E0015F2.9060504@drivefaster.net> <4E003B44.9090005@2ndQuadrant.com> <4E004D96.7010308@gmail.com> <4E004E74.5020209@gmail.com> <82d3i777ow.fsf@mid.bfk.de> <4E00B4B9.50006@2ndQuadrant.com> <4E00FABB.6030302@gmail.com> <4E00FE4B.3030204@gmail.com> <4E011871.1040603@2ndQuadrant.com> In-Reply-To: <4E011871.1040603@2ndQuadrant.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; format=flowed content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [10.10.221.50] X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFvrAIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsXCxcQrphvBz+RnMH+utsXJ7k52i1t9T1ks 7nR+ZLS4PvMcs8WyT+cZLVovWTiwefy+e5DJ4/7THI+ds+6ye1zYN409gCWqgdEmMS8vvySx JFUhJbU42VYpwNXR20whuCQxLyWxKEXBJbM4OScxMze1SEkhM8VWyUhJoSAnMTk1NzWvxFYp saAgNS9FyY5LAQPYAJVl5imk5iXnp2TmpdsqeQb761pYmFrqGirZxSNAQhtLxoLZ0QVTeSpW 7prE0sB4l7OLkZNDQsBE4tjJuywQtpjEhXvr2UBsXgENiZ33l7CD2CwCqhKLLk0Bi7MJqEks 3H2TEcQWEpCV2L/qHCuIzS8gLLHvQxMziC0qUCjx7egtZog5ghInZz4Bmy8CNGft68dMXYxc HMwCexklvu5qByri4BAWMJOYvroIJC4k0M8s8XDidbAFnAL6ErfvTwZrZhawlbgw5zqULS+x /e0cZogj5CTuNDxnA5kjIaAgce+v0wRGoVlIVs9C0j0LSfcCRuZVjOLFZYnJGZlmBcW5JQWG egWpidlmenmpJZsYwfF+Wm4H44oLiocYBTgYlXh4Bc4x+AmxJpYVV+YeYpTgYFYS4TX7w+gn xJuSWFmVWpQfX1Sak1p8iFEbGGYTmaW4k/OBqSivJN7YwEBJnPeL61tfIYF0YBrITk0tSC2C qWbi4JRqYBRxCdNxiNm38MKGjoo7sh1PSzQM/HfkszU7eMWr8ktVrTqoERrskDVvjXNLWsuj zXr7iwtef3LVLE04LDbjU1IHW9hfI6VKdwM26zShK21eFprbwky07cU0WPfk1k+a4CS77p3l Rt2OV61KbYxpsyO+7m2N2Z374OIbRyuTzuAFgVsFzPuUWIozEg21mIuKEwH25BX/AwMAAA== X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.91 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201106/210 X-Sequence-Number: 44143 On 06/21/2011 05:17 PM, Greg Smith wrote: > If they just do the same style of write cache and reliability rework > to the enterprise line, but using better flash, I agree that the > first really serious yet affordable product for the database market > may finally come out of that. After we started our research in this area and finally settled on FusionIO PCI cards (which survived several controlled and uncontrolled failures completely intact), a consultant tried telling us he could build us a cage of SSDs for much cheaper, and with better performance. Once I'd stopped laughing, I quickly shooed him away. One of the reasons the PCI cards do so well is that they operate in a directly memory-addressable manner, and always include capacitors. You lose some overhead due to the CPU running the driver, and you can't boot off of them, but they're leagues ahead in terms of safety. But like you said, they're certainly not what most people would call affordable. 640GB for two orders of magnitude more than an equivalent hard drive would cost? Ouch. Most companies are familiar---and hence comfortable---with RAIDs of various flavors, so they see SSD performance numbers and think to themselves "What if that were in a RAID?" Right now, drives aren't quite there yet, or the ones that are cost more than most want to spend. It's a shame, really. But I'm willing to wait it out for now. -- Shaun Thomas OptionsHouse | 141 W. Jackson Blvd. | Suite 800 | Chicago IL, 60604 312-676-8870 sthomas@peak6.com ______________________________________________ See http://www.peak6.com/email_disclaimer.php for terms and conditions related to this email