Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uewm0-0000TZ-1A for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 00:19:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uewlz-0000Gi-Fp for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 00:19:19 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Uewly-0000G7-3h for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 00:19:18 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Uewlr-0000UN-KV for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Wed, 22 May 2013 00:19:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.110] (mail.highperformancepostgresql.com [71.179.240.8]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lvywf-1UOy4O3xsL-017Th3; Wed, 22 May 2013 02:19:10 +0200 Message-ID: <519C0EFD.9080002@2ndQuadrant.com> Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 20:19:09 -0400 From: Greg Smith User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.7; rv:14.0) Gecko/20120713 Thunderbird/14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Merlin Moncure CC: Tomas Vondra , pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Reliability with RAID 10 SSD and Streaming Replication References: <51957499.6050905@fuzzy.cz> <519991EB.8010208@2ndQuadrant.com> <519A8E29.60702@fuzzy.cz> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:anA8c62uoC2mAoS6ZZ4B9nkWmZqMyqnY9KwNEXi5ztZ oorBTHnms8LF+DyAMGOJPVI4/30PVBHmLHmc/8pG6BTSBpmuGo 7yKhB13bhP+O3JSHmCiKtA3kPWy57Zxq22EYUsYAIqvj7t7dhx yCNyEc9fxYfbKdQVFCPDJfmRPug53xdHri8uFC81UxqoG2BWi+ Q0TB/dQRAz1YzCYIUSwbLzRf+EFsWTsETN8o7C341+pC7l0xGc DagV6URHA87gOr6RefN9b8j1q+dvEGnlVz5+u6qW/TYiBO9yNc biZs6VRZt3a+FSGD9P/0z6oVbvvPtimy8DmHP4+dUM3FN2ukJW E/aV5/lqrGz5ueUHAcXo= X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-performance Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-performance-owner@postgresql.org On 5/20/13 6:32 PM, Merlin Moncure wrote: > When it comes to databases, particularly in the open source postgres > world, hard drives are completely obsolete. SSD are a couple of > orders of magnitude faster and this (while still slow in computer > terms) is fast enough to put storage into the modern area by anyone > who is smart enough to connect a sata cable. You're skirting the edge of vendor Kool-Aid here. I'm working on a very detailed benchmark vs. real world piece centered on Intel's 710 models, one of the few reliable drives on the market. (Yes, I have a DC S3700 too, just not as much data yet) While in theory these drives will hit two orders of magnitude speed improvement, and I have benchmarks where that's the case, in practice I've seen them deliver less than 5X better too. You get one guess which I'd consider more likely to happen on a difficult database server workload. The only really huge gain to be had using SSD is commit rate at a low client count. There you can easily do 5,000/second instead of a spinning disk that is closer to 100, for less than what the battery-backed RAID card along costs to speed up mechanical drives. My test server's 100GB DC S3700 was $250. That's still not two orders of magnitude faster though. -- Greg Smith 2ndQuadrant US greg@2ndQuadrant.com Baltimore, MD PostgreSQL Training, Services, and 24x7 Support www.2ndQuadrant.com -- Sent via pgsql-performance mailing list (pgsql-performance@postgresql.org) To make changes to your subscription: http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-performance