Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wepxn-0003Ih-8C for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:07:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wepxm-0006bR-Cp for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:07:34 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:7903:4::125]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wepxi-0006WS-Sp for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:07:31 +0000 Received: from wsip-70-169-168-7.pn.at.cox.net ([70.169.168.7] helo=fs.denninger.net) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wepxf-0000Of-V9 for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:07:30 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fs.denninger.net (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s3SI7ROI066915 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:07:27 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (TLS/SSL) [192.168.1.40] by Spamblock-sys (LOCAL/AUTH); Mon Apr 28 13:07:27 2014 Message-ID: <535E98DA.7080702@denninger.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:07:22 -0500 From: Karl Denninger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Revisiting disk layout on ZFS systems References: <535E781A.5030708@denninger.net> <535E9812.1090605@vmware.com> In-Reply-To: <535E9812.1090605@vmware.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms020207020705010506020505" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140428-0, 04/28/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Pg-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-performance Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-performance-owner@postgresql.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms020207020705010506020505 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/28/2014 1:04 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > On 04/28/2014 06:47 PM, Karl Denninger wrote: >> What I am curious about, however, is the xlog -- that appears to suffe= r >> pretty badly from 128k record size, although it compresses even >> more-materially; 1.94x (!) >> >> The files in the xlog directory are large (16MB each) and thus "first >> blush" would be that having a larger record size for that storage area= >> would help. It appears that instead it hurts. > > The WAL is fsync'd frequently. My guess is that that causes a lot of=20 > extra work to repeatedly recompress the same data, or something like=20 > that. > > - Heikki > It shouldn't as ZFS re-writes on change, and what's showing up is not=20 high I/O *count* but rather percentage-busy, which implies lots of head=20 movement (that is, lots of sub-allocation unit writes.) Isn't WAL essentially sequential writes during normal operation? --=20 -- Karl karl@denninger.net --------------ms020207020705010506020505 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIFTzCC BUswggQzoAMCAQICAQgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEFBQAwgZ0xCzAJBgNVBAYTAlVTMRAwDgYDVQQI EwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoTEEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBM TEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExLzAtBgkqhkiG9w0BCQEWIGN1c3Rv bWVyLXNlcnZpY2VAY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0MB4XDTEzMDgyNDE5MDM0NFoXDTE4MDgyMzE5 MDM0NFowWzELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExFzAVBgNVBAMTDkthcmwg RGVubmluZ2VyMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJrYXJsQGRlbm5pbmdlci5uZXQwggIiMA0GCSqG SIb3DQEBAQUAA4ICDwAwggIKAoICAQC5n2KBrBmG22nVntVdvgKCB9UcnapNThrW1L+dq6th d9l4mj+qYMUpJ+8I0rTbY1dn21IXQBoBQmy8t1doKwmTdQ59F0FwZEPt/fGbRgBKVt3Quf6W 6n7kRk9MG6gdD7V9vPpFV41e+5MWYtqGWY3ScDP8SyYLjL/Xgr+5KFKkDfuubK8DeNqdLniV jHo/vqmIgO+6NgzPGPgmbutzFQXlxUqjiNAAKzF2+Tkddi+WKABrcc/EqnBb0X8GdqcIamO5 SyVmuM+7Zdns7D9pcV16zMMQ8LfNFQCDvbCuuQKMDg2F22x5ekYXpwjqTyfjcHBkWC8vFNoY 5aFMdyiN/Kkz0/kduP2ekYOgkRqcShfLEcG9SQ4LQZgqjMpTjSOGzBr3tOvVn5LkSJSHW2Z8 Q0dxSkvFG2/lsOWFbwQeeZSaBi5vRZCYCOf5tRd1+E93FyQfpt4vsrXshIAk7IK7f0qXvxP4 GDli5PKIEubD2Bn+gp3vB/DkfKySh5NBHVB+OPCoXRUWBkQxme65wBO02OZZt0k8Iq0i4Rci WV6z+lQHqDKtaVGgMsHn6PoeYhjf5Al5SP+U3imTjF2aCca1iDB5JOccX04MNljvifXgcbJN nkMgrzmm1ZgJ1PLur/ADWPlnz45quOhHg1TfUCLfI/DzgG7Z6u+oy4siQuFr9QT0MQIDAQAB o4HWMIHTMAkGA1UdEwQCMAAwEQYJYIZIAYb4QgEBBAQDAgWgMAsGA1UdDwQEAwIF4DAsBglg hkgBhvhCAQ0EHxYdT3BlblNTTCBHZW5lcmF0ZWQgQ2VydGlmaWNhdGUwHQYDVR0OBBYEFHw4 +LnuALyLA5Cgy7T5ZAX1WzKPMB8GA1UdIwQYMBaAFF3U3hpBZq40HB5VM7B44/gmXiI0MDgG CWCGSAGG+EIBAwQrFilodHRwczovL2N1ZGFzeXN0ZW1zLm5ldDoxMTQ0My9yZXZva2VkLmNy bDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQUFAAOCAQEAZ0L4tQbBd0hd4wuw/YVqEBDDXJ54q2AoqQAmsOlnoxLO 31ehM/LvrTIP4yK2u1VmXtUumQ4Ao15JFM+xmwqtEGsh70RRrfVBAGd7KOZ3GB39FP2TgN/c L5fJKVxOqvEnW6cL9QtvUlcM3hXg8kDv60OB+LIcSE/P3/s+0tEpWPjxm3LHVE7JmPbZIcJ1 YMoZvHh0NSjY5D0HZlwtbDO7pDz9sZf1QEOgjH828fhtborkaHaUI46pmrMjiBnY6ujXMcWD pxtikki0zY22nrxfTs5xDWGxyrc/cmucjxClJF6+OYVUSaZhiiHfa9Pr+41okLgsRB0AmNwE f6ItY3TI8DGCBQowggUGAgEBMIGjMIGdMQswCQYDVQQGEwJVUzEQMA4GA1UECBMHRmxvcmlk YTESMBAGA1UEBxMJTmljZXZpbGxlMRkwFwYDVQQKExBDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDMRwwGgYD VQQDExNDdWRhIFN5c3RlbXMgTExDIENBMS8wLQYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFiBjdXN0b21lci1zZXJ2 aWNlQGN1ZGFzeXN0ZW1zLm5ldAIBCDAJBgUrDgMCGgUAoIICOzAYBgkqhkiG9w0BCQMxCwYJ KoZIhvcNAQcBMBwGCSqGSIb3DQEJBTEPFw0xNDA0MjgxODA3MjJaMCMGCSqGSIb3DQEJBDEW BBTBZmqrG0O9JgLYSU5dTiD0T9G5ljBsBgkqhkiG9w0BCQ8xXzBdMAsGCWCGSAFlAwQBKjAL BglghkgBZQMEAQIwCgYIKoZIhvcNAwcwDgYIKoZIhvcNAwICAgCAMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgFA MAcGBSsOAwIHMA0GCCqGSIb3DQMCAgEoMIG0BgkrBgEEAYI3EAQxgaYwgaMwgZ0xCzAJBgNV BAYTAlVTMRAwDgYDVQQIEwdGbG9yaWRhMRIwEAYDVQQHEwlOaWNldmlsbGUxGTAXBgNVBAoT EEN1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMxHDAaBgNVBAMTE0N1ZGEgU3lzdGVtcyBMTEMgQ0ExLzAtBgkq hkiG9w0BCQEWIGN1c3RvbWVyLXNlcnZpY2VAY3VkYXN5c3RlbXMubmV0AgEIMIG2BgsqhkiG 9w0BCRACCzGBpqCBozCBnTELMAkGA1UEBhMCVVMxEDAOBgNVBAgTB0Zsb3JpZGExEjAQBgNV BAcTCU5pY2V2aWxsZTEZMBcGA1UEChMQQ3VkYSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQzEcMBoGA1UEAxMTQ3Vk YSBTeXN0ZW1zIExMQyBDQTEvMC0GCSqGSIb3DQEJARYgY3VzdG9tZXItc2VydmljZUBjdWRh c3lzdGVtcy5uZXQCAQgwDQYJKoZIhvcNAQEBBQAEggIAou0N3x/I5e3fq3TGhkWipgc8GowC GuG5spJreyFO3mgY4TzMqaw/+/X2NZgG0LyHycVNty/mvbLaV56iHFLpF1kGsurnZqqveatw EQwv0lND0KSJbsP63jAQqgVdn8drqQ4J9ZOPy7ajdgDAC9aMX2OPNa/2auJGIqemL72+Ev9h ciAHwzdeLEdClhzTDlsWVmRYGUctx5+yMUp4aWRvia5xq/vpSEr/69ipV19dHbMk2pvsI2Vg 2ADOlgmILQxcoTiAIAf2rnenHNFsnd5eK6vm8xmvKwwHdzw/rxOdVroFbyjxxGzqAVrk0GvX lwGKWkwb97g2a1fQx63BZ1GV2w3zZ0WOsYjqxNkQ9o9pnNn8+MH4zSoVHgxtN3apQkiNN/Qi 2eSURyKTfJi+lXzFCIto571X2LdFESGXbkPewQEa04udAJ1SHJN1PidIy2V19+gY84wXRNCU PJ61lhmK4wJPOAGh0gCl2j/lQCXICeC781WaOYVE6/IgIVqkT4JZl/eTF4eoMkFsGRo4936W NU+vth8j1MoBW1t5nSpnVeAFjLDsF1YpKmcfAM8JxA96CIPKQfh+Gk9ZNWL/pKv76LbJzwre qo7qGKwKEQlCPUJKnL/a3HMakGYfEk+4H611njzOnqx2zmuhPn/Ik2fnKmy7QoqfFxCj8/2q Bc2KcKsAAAAAAAA= --------------ms020207020705010506020505--