Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeqGu-0003vy-LW for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:27:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with smtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeqGu-0005Yv-55 for pgsql-performance@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:27:20 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeqGs-0005XF-C8 for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:27:18 +0000 Received: from wsip-70-169-168-7.pn.at.cox.net ([70.169.168.7] helo=fs.denninger.net) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeqGp-0001H5-4H for pgsql-performance@postgresql.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 18:27:18 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fs.denninger.net (8.14.8/8.14.8) with ESMTP id s3SIRC2j075623 for ; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:27:12 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from karl@denninger.net) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (TLS/SSL) [192.168.1.40] by Spamblock-sys (LOCAL/AUTH); Mon Apr 28 13:27:12 2014 Message-ID: <535E9D7B.6020706@denninger.net> Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 13:27:07 -0500 From: Karl Denninger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Revisiting disk layout on ZFS systems References: <535E781A.5030708@denninger.net> <535E9812.1090605@vmware.com> <535E98DA.7080702@denninger.net> <535E9C6C.7090407@vmware.com> In-Reply-To: <535E9C6C.7090407@vmware.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030903040409040301060109" X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 140428-0, 04/28/2014), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Pg-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) List-Archive: List-Help: List-ID: List-Owner: List-Post: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Mailing-List: pgsql-performance Precedence: bulk Sender: pgsql-performance-owner@postgresql.org This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030903040409040301060109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 4/28/2014 1:22 PM, Heikki Linnakangas wrote: > On 04/28/2014 09:07 PM, Karl Denninger wrote: >>> The WAL is fsync'd frequently. My guess is that that causes a lot of >>> extra work to repeatedly recompress the same data, or something like >>> that. >> >> It shouldn't as ZFS re-writes on change, and what's showing up is not >> high I/O*count* but rather percentage-busy, which implies lots of hea= d >> movement (that is, lots of sub-allocation unit writes.) > > That sounds consistent frequent fsyncs. > >> Isn't WAL essentially sequential writes during normal operation? > > Yes, it's totally sequential. But it's fsync'd at every commit, which=20 > means a lot of small writes. > > - Heikki Makes sense; I'll muse on whether there's a way to optimize this=20 further... 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