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* Status of Opteron vs Xeon
@ 2005-10-06 23:55 Jeff Frost <jeff@frostconsultingllc.com>
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From: Jeff Frost @ 2005-10-06 23:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
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What's the current status of how much faster the Opteron is compared to the
Xeons? I know the Opterons used to be close to 2x faster, but is that still
the case? I understand much work has been done to reduce the contect
switching storms on the Xeon architecture, is this correct?
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* Re: Status of Opteron vs Xeon
@ 2005-10-07 12:27 Merlin Moncure <merlin.moncure@rcsonline.com>
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From: Merlin Moncure @ 2005-10-07 12:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jeff Frost <jeff@frostconsultingllc.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
> What's the current status of how much faster the Opteron is compared
to
> the
> Xeons? I know the Opterons used to be close to 2x faster, but is that
> still
> the case? I understand much work has been done to reduce the contect
> switching storms on the Xeon architecture, is this correct?
Up until two days ago (Oct 5) Intel has had no answer for AMD's dual
core offerings...unfortunately this has allowed AMD to charge top dollar
for dual core Opterons. The Intel dual core solution on the P4 side
hasn't been very impressive particularly with regard to thermals.
My 90nm athlon 3000 at home runs very cool...if I underclock it a bit I
can actually turn off the cooling fan :).
IMO, right now it's AMD all the way, but if you are planning a big
purchase, it might be smart to wait a couple of months for the big price
realignment as Intel's dual xeons hit the retail channel.
Merlin
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* Re: Status of Opteron vs Xeon
@ 2005-10-07 17:33 Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>
parent: Jeff Frost <jeff@frostconsultingllc.com>
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From: Chris Browne @ 2005-10-07 17:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
jeff@frostconsultingllc.com (Jeff Frost) writes:
> What's the current status of how much faster the Opteron is compared
> to the Xeons? I know the Opterons used to be close to 2x faster,
> but is that still the case? I understand much work has been done to
> reduce the contect switching storms on the Xeon architecture, is
> this correct?
Work has gone into 8.1 to try to help with the context switch storms;
that doesn't affect previous versions.
Furthermore, it does not do anything to address the consideration that
memory access on Opterons seem to be intrinsically faster than on Xeon
due to differences in the memory bus architecture.
The only evident ways to address that are:
a) For Intel to deploy chips with better memory buses;
b) For Intel to convince people to deploy compilers that
optimize badly on AMD to make Intel chips look better...
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* Re: Status of Opteron vs Xeon
@ 2005-10-07 18:44 Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
parent: Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2005-10-07 18:44 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org> writes:
> jeff@frostconsultingllc.com (Jeff Frost) writes:
>> What's the current status of how much faster the Opteron is compared
>> to the Xeons? I know the Opterons used to be close to 2x faster,
>> but is that still the case? I understand much work has been done to
>> reduce the contect switching storms on the Xeon architecture, is
>> this correct?
> Work has gone into 8.1 to try to help with the context switch storms;
> that doesn't affect previous versions.
Also note that we've found that the current coding of the TAS macro
seems to be very bad for at least some Opterons --- they do much better
if the "pre-test" cmpb is removed. But this is not true for all x86_64
chips. We still have an open issue about what to do about this.
regards, tom lane
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* Re: Status of Opteron vs Xeon
@ 2005-10-07 19:03 Emil Briggs <emil@baymountain.com>
parent: Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>
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From: Emil Briggs @ 2005-10-07 19:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance; +Cc: Chris Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>
>
> Furthermore, it does not do anything to address the consideration that
> memory access on Opterons seem to be intrinsically faster than on Xeon
> due to differences in the memory bus architecture.
>
I have been running some tests using different numa policies on a quad Opteron
server and have found some significant performance differences depending on
the type of load the system is under. It's not clear to me yet if I can draw
any general conclusions from the results though.
Emil
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