X-Original-To: pgsql-performance-postgresql.org@postgresql.org Received: from localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1C299FB21B for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:52:11 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.208.251]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 74032-07 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:51:56 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from m.wordtothewise.com (goliath.word-to-the-wise.com [208.187.80.130]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 242B09FB1F8 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 13:51:55 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [10.3.2.25] (184.word-to-the-wise.com [208.187.80.184]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by m.wordtothewise.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C00BAFF96 for ; Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.2) In-Reply-To: <44D9D96E.7030706@commandprompt.com> References: <44D7B958.6030004@atua.com.br> <33c6269f0608072333o67ab6adei29095091718901dc@mail.gmail.com> <44D9D96E.7030706@commandprompt.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <9157C32A-0C41-4805-884B-CE3FEEE8CF30@blighty.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Steve Atkins Subject: Re: Hardware upgraded but performance still ain't good Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:50:58 -0700 To: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.2) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.135 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=FORGED_RCVD_HELO X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200608/158 X-Sequence-Number: 20343 On Aug 9, 2006, at 5:47 AM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Alex Turner wrote: >> First off - very few third party tools support debian. Debian is >> a sure >> fire way to have an unsupported system. Use RedHat or SuSe (flame >> me all >> you want, it doesn't make it less true). > > *cough* BS *cough* > > Linux is Linux. It doesn't matter what trademark you put on top of > it. As long as they are running a current version of Linux (e.g; > kernel 2.6) they should be fine. That's really not the case, at least to the degree that makes a difference between "supported" and "unsupported". > > With Debian that may or may not be the case and that could be an > issue. > To get the best luck, I would suggest (if you want to stay with a > Debian base) Ubuntu Dapper LTS. Different Linux distributions include different shared libraries, put different things in different places and generally break applications in a variety of different ways (SELinux would be one example of that commonly seen here). If I don't QA my application on it, it isn't supported. I can't necessarily replicate problems on Linux distributions I don't have installed in my QA lab, so I can't guarantee to fix problems that are specific to that distribution. I can't even be sure that it will install and run correctly without doing basic QA of the installation process on that distribution. And in my case that's just for user space applications. It's got to be even worse for hardware drivers. Our usual phrase is "We support RedHat versions *mumble* only. We expect our application to run correctly on any Linux distribution, though you may have to install additional shared libraries." I'm quite happy with customers running Debian, SuSe or what have you, as long as they have access to a sysadmin who's comfortable with that distribution. (I'd probably deny support to anyone running Gentoo, though :) ) We've never had big problems with people running our apps on "unsupported" problems, but those users have had to do some more diagnosis of problems themselves, and we've been less able to support them than we can users who use the same distribution we QA on. (It's not just Linux, either. We "support" Windows XP, but we run just fine on 2000 and 95/98.) Cheers, Steve