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Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2011 01:10:05 +0200
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Subject: Re: Performance
From: Claudio Freire <klaussfreire@gmail.com>
To: Tomas Vondra <tv@fuzzy.cz>
Cc: pgsql-performance@postgresql.org
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On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 12:19 AM, Tomas Vondra <tv@fuzzy.cz> wrote:
>
> Another issue is that when measuring multiple values (processing of
> different requests), the decisions may be contradictory so it really
> can't be fully automatic.
>

I don't think it's soooo dependant on workload. It's dependant on
access patterns (and working set sizes), and that all can be
quantified, as opposed to "workload".

I've been meaning to try this for a while yet, and it needs not be as
expensive as one would imagine. It just needs a clever implementation
that isn't too intrusive and that is customizable enough not to
alienate DBAs.

I'm not doing database stuff ATM (though I've been doing it for
several years), and I don't expect to return to database tasks for a
few months. But whenever I get back to it, sure, I'd be willing to
invest time on it.

What an automated system can do and a DBA cannot, and it's why this
idea occurred to me in the first place, is tailor the metrics for
variable contexts and situations. Like, I had a DB that was working
perfectly fine most of the time, but some days it got "overworked" and
sticking with fixed cost variables made no sense - in those
situations, random page cost was insanely high because of the
workload, but sequential scans would have ran much faster because of
OS read-ahead and because of synchroscans. I'm talking of a decision
support system that did lots of heavy duty queries, where sequential
scans are an alternative. I reckon most OLTP systems are different.

So, to make things short, adaptability to varying conditions is what
I'd imagine this technique would provide, and a DBA cannot no matter
how skilled. That and the advent of SSDs and really really different
characteristics of different tablespaces only strengthen my intuition
that automation might be better than parameterization.