Received: from maia.hub.org (maia-2.hub.org [200.46.204.251]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 605C61337C10 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:20:41 -0300 (ADT) Received: from mail.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.86]) by maia.hub.org (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.251]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39863-06 for ; Thu, 7 Apr 2011 00:20:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 Received: from EXHUB018-3.exch018.msoutlookonline.net (exhub018-3.exch018.msoutlookonline.net [64.78.17.18]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE4731337B47 for ; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:20:22 -0300 (ADT) Received: from EXVMBX018-1.exch018.msoutlookonline.net ([64.78.17.47]) by EXHUB018-3.exch018.msoutlookonline.net ([64.78.17.18]) with mapi; Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:20:23 -0700 From: Scott Carey To: Andy , Merlin Moncure CC: "pgsql-performance@postgresql.org" , Greg Smith Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 17:20:21 -0700 Subject: Re: Intel SSDs that may not suck Thread-Topic: [PERFORM] Intel SSDs that may not suck Thread-Index: Acv0uZXzuuuHDjGZQ2SyvztoGfrdwQ== Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <312218.14775.qm@web111305.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.2.0.101115 acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.9 tagged_above=-10 required=5 tests=BAYES_00=-1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 201104/59 X-Sequence-Number: 43121 On 4/6/11 2:11 PM, "Andy" wrote: > >--- On Wed, 4/6/11, Scott Carey wrote: > > >> I could care less about the 'fast' sandforce drives. >> They fail at a high >> rate and the performance improvement is BECAUSE they are >> using a large, >> volatile write cache. > >The G1 and G2 Intel MLC also use volatile write cache, just like most >SandForce drives do. 1. People are complaining that the Intel G3's aren't as fast as the SandForce drives (they are faster than the 1st gen SandForce, but not the yet-to-be-released ones like Vertex 3). From a database perspective, this is complete BS. 2. 256K versus 64MB write cache. Power + time to flush a cache matters. 3. None of the performance benchmarks of drives are comparing the performance with the cache _disabled_ which is required when not power safe. If the SandForce drives are still that much faster with it disabled, I'd be shocked. Disabling a 256K write cache will affect performance less than disabling a 64MB one.