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* What's the cost of a few extra columns?
@ 2005-10-10 03:03 Announce <truthhurts@insightbb.com>
2005-10-11 00:12 ` Re: What's the cost of a few extra columns? Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
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From: Announce @ 2005-10-10 03:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-performance
What's goin on pg-people?
I have a table PRODUCTIONS that is central to the DB and ties a lot of other
information together:
PRODUCTIONS (table)
----------------------------------
prod_id primary key
type_id foreign key
level_id foreign key
tour_id foreign key
show_id foreign key
venue_id foreign key
title varchar(255); not null indexed
version char;
details text
open_date date
close_date date
preview_open date
preview_close date
perform_tot int
preview_tot int
park_info text
phone_nos text
some_other_info text
seating_info text
this text
that text
create_tstmp timestamptz; NOW()
mod_tstmp timestamptz;triggered
delete_tstmp timestamptz;default null
is_complete bool
As it stands now, there are approximately 25-30 columns on the table. Since
this table is very central to the database, would it be more efficient to
break some of the columns (especially the TEXT ones) out into a separate
INFO table since some queries on the web will not care about all of these
text columns anyway? I know that pg can handle A LOT more columns and if
there IS no performance hit for keeping them all on the same table, I would
like to do that because the relation between PRODUCTIONS and the INFO will
always be 1-to-1.
My implementation of this INFO table would look a little somethin' like
this:
PROD_INFO (table)
-------------------------------
prod_id pkey/fkey
open_date date
close_date date
preview_open date
preview_close date
perform_tot int
preview_tot int
park_info text
phone_nos text
some_other_info text
seating_info text
this text
that text
(the rest would stay in in the original PRODUCTIONS table)
I am open to ANY suggestions, criticisms, mockery, etc.
Thanks,
Aaron
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* Re: What's the cost of a few extra columns?
2005-10-10 03:03 What's the cost of a few extra columns? Announce <truthhurts@insightbb.com>
@ 2005-10-11 00:12 ` Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
2005-10-11 02:14 ` Re: What's the cost of a few extra columns? Announce <truthhurts@insightbb.com>
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From: Jim C. Nasby @ 2005-10-11 00:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Announce <truthhurts@insightbb.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
What you're describing is known as vertical partitioning (think of
splitting a table vertically), and can be a good technique for
increasing performance when used properly. The key is to try and get the
average row size down, since that means more rows per page which means
less I/O. Some things to consider:
First rule of performance tuning: don't. In other words, you should be
able to verify with benchmark numbers that a) you need to do this and b)
how much it's actually helping.
How will splitting the table affect *_tstmp, especially mod_tstmp?
How will you handle inserts and joining these two tables together? Will
you always do a left join (preferably via a view), or will you have a
trigger/rule that inserts into production_info whenever a row is
inserted into productions?
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 10:03:33PM -0500, Announce wrote:
> What's goin on pg-people?
>
> I have a table PRODUCTIONS that is central to the DB and ties a lot of other
> information together:
>
> PRODUCTIONS (table)
> ----------------------------------
> prod_id primary key
> type_id foreign key
> level_id foreign key
> tour_id foreign key
> show_id foreign key
> venue_id foreign key
> title varchar(255); not null indexed
> version char;
> details text
> open_date date
> close_date date
> preview_open date
> preview_close date
> perform_tot int
> preview_tot int
> park_info text
> phone_nos text
> some_other_info text
> seating_info text
> this text
> that text
> create_tstmp timestamptz; NOW()
> mod_tstmp timestamptz;triggered
> delete_tstmp timestamptz;default null
> is_complete bool
>
>
> As it stands now, there are approximately 25-30 columns on the table. Since
> this table is very central to the database, would it be more efficient to
> break some of the columns (especially the TEXT ones) out into a separate
> INFO table since some queries on the web will not care about all of these
> text columns anyway? I know that pg can handle A LOT more columns and if
> there IS no performance hit for keeping them all on the same table, I would
> like to do that because the relation between PRODUCTIONS and the INFO will
> always be 1-to-1.
>
> My implementation of this INFO table would look a little somethin' like
> this:
>
> PROD_INFO (table)
> -------------------------------
> prod_id pkey/fkey
> open_date date
> close_date date
> preview_open date
> preview_close date
> perform_tot int
> preview_tot int
> park_info text
> phone_nos text
> some_other_info text
> seating_info text
> this text
> that text
> (the rest would stay in in the original PRODUCTIONS table)
>
>
> I am open to ANY suggestions, criticisms, mockery, etc.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron
>
>
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* Re: What's the cost of a few extra columns?
2005-10-10 03:03 What's the cost of a few extra columns? Announce <truthhurts@insightbb.com>
2005-10-11 00:12 ` Re: What's the cost of a few extra columns? Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>
@ 2005-10-11 02:14 ` Announce <truthhurts@insightbb.com>
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From: Announce @ 2005-10-11 02:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Jim C. Nasby <jnasby@pervasive.com>; +Cc: pgsql-performance
Thanks a lot.
Well, if I'm understanding you correctly, then doing the vertical splitting
for some of the text columns WOULD decrease the average row size returned in
my slimmer PRODUCTIONS table. I don't plan on using any of the "prod_info"
columns in a WHERE clause (except open_date and close_date now that I think
of it so they would stay in the original table).
There will be a lot of queries where I just want to return quick pri-key,
prod_name and prod_date results from a PRODUCTION search. Then, there would
be a detail query that would then need all of the PRODUCTION and INFO data
for a single row.
Thanks again,
Aaron
-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: [PERFORM] What's the cost of a few extra columns?
What you're describing is known as vertical partitioning (think of
splitting a table vertically), and can be a good technique for
increasing performance when used properly. The key is to try and get the
average row size down, since that means more rows per page which means
less I/O. Some things to consider:
First rule of performance tuning: don't. In other words, you should be
able to verify with benchmark numbers that a) you need to do this and b)
how much it's actually helping.
How will splitting the table affect *_tstmp, especially mod_tstmp?
How will you handle inserts and joining these two tables together? Will
you always do a left join (preferably via a view), or will you have a
trigger/rule that inserts into production_info whenever a row is
inserted into productions?
On Sun, Oct 09, 2005 at 10:03:33PM -0500, Announce wrote:
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