Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iiFaS-0000yE-5E for pgsql-pkg-yum@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:32:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iiFaP-00015q-2Y for pgsql-pkg-yum@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:32:45 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iiFaO-00015j-Rd for pgsql-pkg-yum@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:32:44 +0000 Received: from feynman.df7cb.de ([195.49.152.168]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iiFaM-0007eD-FH for pgsql-pkg-yum@postgresql.org; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 10:32:44 +0000 Received: from msg.df7cb.de (unknown [IPv6:2003:5b:203b:100:7627:eaff:fe52:8e03]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (Client did not present a certificate) by feynman.df7cb.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47fQ6x1nLjz3Dyq; Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:32:41 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2019 11:32:40 +0100 From: Christoph Berg To: Devrim =?iso-8859-1?B?R/xuZPx6?= Cc: Craig Ringer , pgsql-pkg-yum Subject: Re: Can we stop defaulting to 'ident'? Message-ID: <20191220103240.GB9564@msg.df7cb.de> Mail-Followup-To: Christoph Berg , Devrim =?iso-8859-1?B?R/xuZPx6?= , Craig Ringer , pgsql-pkg-yum References: <77df509da61adaebca6c5f0451f1c1616f1faa45.camel@gunduz.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <77df509da61adaebca6c5f0451f1c1616f1faa45.camel@gunduz.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.12.2 (2019-09-21) List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk Re: Devrim Gündüz 2019-12-20 <77df509da61adaebca6c5f0451f1c1616f1faa45.camel@gunduz.org> > > but I think it's pretty unhelpful. At least if we used 'md5' the user could > > set passwords and have them actually work. > > IMHO the only alternative could be "trust", because I am not holding my breath > for the majority of our users to be able to setup a password that easily > (yeah). I'm also not inclined to setup a default password for RPM installations > (and also RPMs must not do any interactive work, like asking for a password) Fwiw, the Debian packages have been using md5 forever, and do not set a password either. People seem to be able to set a password themselves. I've never heard any complaint about it. (Except for some poking that scram might be better.) Christoph