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* Need indexes on inherited tables?
@ 2004-06-26 19:29 Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
  2004-06-26 21:06 ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
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From: Phil Endecott @ 2004-06-26 19:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-sql

Dear Postgresql experts,

I have a base table that declares a primary key spanning a couple of columns:

create table B (
  id integer,
  xx someothertype,
  .....
  primary key (id, xx)
);

and a number of derived tables that inherit from B:

create table T (
 ....
) inherits (B);

An index is automatically created for B because of the primary key.

If I search for something in T using the key columns, e.g. I do

  select * from T where id=1 and xx=something;

will the index be used?  Or must I explicity create an index on id and xx for T and each of the other derived tables?

Is it any different if I search in B and find rows that are actually in T?

(Slightly unrelated: does the index on (id,xx) help when I am searching only on id?)

Thanks for any insight anyone can offer.

--Phil.



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* Re: Need indexes on inherited tables?
  2004-06-26 19:29 Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
@ 2004-06-26 21:06 ` Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
  2004-06-26 22:30   ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread

From: Franco Bruno Borghesi @ 2004-06-26 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>; +Cc: pgsql-sql

Table T is not inheriting any indexes, neither the primary key
constraint. That means that the search is going to use an index scan on
table B and a sequential scan on table T (unless of course you add a
primary key constraint or an index on table T).

You can check this things doing: 
->SET enable_seqscan TO off;
->EXPLAIN SELECT * FROM B WHERE id=5; 
you'll see an index scan on table B and sequential scans on the other
tables.

Doing:
->SELECT C.relname AS table_name, C2.relname AS index_name FROM pg_index
I LEFT JOIN pg_class C ON (I.indrelid=C.oid) LEFT JOIN pg_class C2 ON
(C2.oid=I.indexrelid) WHERE  C.relname ILIKE '<table_name>'

you can find out what indexes are available for table_name (or \d
<table_name> in psql).


On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 16:29, Phil Endecott wrote:

> Dear Postgresql experts,
> 
> I have a base table that declares a primary key spanning a couple of columns:
> 
> create table B (
>   id integer,
>   xx someothertype,
>   .....
>   primary key (id, xx)
> );
> 
> and a number of derived tables that inherit from B:
> 
> create table T (
>  ....
> ) inherits (B);
> 
> An index is automatically created for B because of the primary key.
> 
> If I search for something in T using the key columns, e.g. I do
> 
>   select * from T where id=1 and xx=something;
> 
> will the index be used?  Or must I explicity create an index on id and xx for T and each of the other derived tables?
> 
> Is it any different if I search in B and find rows that are actually in T?
> 
> (Slightly unrelated: does the index on (id,xx) help when I am searching only on id?)
> 
> Thanks for any insight anyone can offer.
> 
> --Phil.
> 
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> 

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* Re: Need indexes on inherited tables?
  2004-06-26 19:29 Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
  2004-06-26 21:06 ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
@ 2004-06-26 22:30   ` Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
  2004-06-26 23:37     ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Karsten Hilbert <Karsten.Hilbert@gmx.net>
  2004-06-28 16:30     ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Phil Endecott @ 2004-06-26 22:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>; pgsql-sql

I asked if derived tables use primary key indexes generated in the base tables that they inherit from.

Franco Bruno Borghesi replied:
> [the derived table] is not inheriting any indexes, neither the
> primary key constraint.

OK, thanks!  I had come to the conclusion that it was not using the index, but I'm really surprised to hear that the primary key constraint that I define in a base table is not inherited.  Are any constraints inherited?  What happens if I declare a single-column primary key?  What if I declare a "not null" constraint or a "check" constraint in a base table?

Having to replicate the constraints and indexes for each derived table is a pain - lots of error-prone typing - but there is a more serious problem: how can I ensure that these keys are unique across all of the derived tables?  (i.e. if T1 and T2 inherit from B, and B's primary key is (id,xx), then I want there to be at most one row in (T1 union T2) that has any value of (id,xx).)

Is this a possible area for future enhancements?

Regards,

--Phil.

 



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* Re: Need indexes on inherited tables?
  2004-06-26 19:29 Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
  2004-06-26 21:06 ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
  2004-06-26 22:30   ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
@ 2004-06-26 23:37     ` Karsten Hilbert <Karsten.Hilbert@gmx.net>
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From: Karsten Hilbert @ 2004-06-26 23:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: pgsql-sql

> Is this a possible area for future enhancements?
Yes.

Karsten
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* Re: Need indexes on inherited tables?
  2004-06-26 19:29 Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
  2004-06-26 21:06 ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
  2004-06-26 22:30   ` Re: Need indexes on inherited tables? Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>
@ 2004-06-28 16:30     ` Franco Bruno Borghesi <franco@akyasociados.com.ar>
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread

From: Franco Bruno Borghesi @ 2004-06-28 16:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Phil Endecott <spam_from_postgresql_sql@chezphil.org>; +Cc: pgsql-sql

you can find more information here:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/7.4/static/sql-createtable.html (under
the parameters section). For unique constraints, the only thing I can
think of is a table check constraint (SELECT count(pk)=0).

I agree with you, right now there are many inconveniences with
postgresql inheritance, that's why I never use inheritance this way. 
I usually stick to the "standard" way, for example, I create a people
table, and for every people I want to insert in my database there is one
row in this table, plus one row with the same id/pk (which is also a fk)
in a specialized table (let's say students, teachers, whatever). 
This simplifies things, because attribute
definitions/defaults/constraints are always in one table. Maybe you get
into some other troubles, but I find them less painfull :)

On Sat, 2004-06-26 at 19:30, Phil Endecott wrote:

> I asked if derived tables use primary key indexes generated in the base tables that they inherit from.
> 
> Franco Bruno Borghesi replied:
> > [the derived table] is not inheriting any indexes, neither the
> > primary key constraint.
> 
> OK, thanks!  I had come to the conclusion that it was not using the index, but I'm really surprised to hear that the primary key constraint that I define in a base table is not inherited.  Are any constraints inherited?  What happens if I declare a single-column primary key?  What if I declare a "not null" constraint or a "check" constraint in a base table?
> 
> Having to replicate the constraints and indexes for each derived table is a pain - lots of error-prone typing - but there is a more serious problem: how can I ensure that these keys are unique across all of the derived tables?  (i.e. if T1 and T2 inherit from B, and B's primary key is (id,xx), then I want there to be at most one row in (T1 union T2) that has any value of (id,xx).)
> 
> Is this a possible area for future enhancements?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --Phil.
> 
>  
> 

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