X-Original-To: pgsql-sql-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B8C9DAECF for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:10:30 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 79893-02 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 16:10:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from koolancexeon.g2switchworks.com (mail.g2switchworks.com [63.87.162.25]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 378C4DAEB6 for ; Wed, 26 Oct 2005 13:10:28 -0300 (ADT) Received: mail.g2switchworks.com 10.10.1.8 from 10.10.1.37 10.10.1.37 via HTTP with MS-WebStorage 6.5.6944 Received: from state.g2switchworks.com by mail.g2switchworks.com; 26 Oct 2005 11:10:27 -0500 Subject: Re: why vacuum From: Scott Marlowe To: Jan Wieck Cc: Kenneth Gonsalves , PostgreSQL SQL In-Reply-To: <435FAA21.3070400@Yahoo.com> References: <200510261015.17623.lawgon@thenilgiris.com> <1130339980.2872.12.camel@state.g2switchworks.com> <435FAA21.3070400@Yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1130343027.2872.20.camel@state.g2switchworks.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 (1.4.6-2) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2005 11:10:27 -0500 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.007 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.007] X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200510/334 X-Sequence-Number: 23187 On Wed, 2005-10-26 at 11:09, Jan Wieck wrote: > On 10/26/2005 11:19 AM, Scott Marlowe wrote: > > > On Tue, 2005-10-25 at 23:45, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> hi, > >> i was in a minor flame war with a mysql guy - his major grouse was that > >> 'I wouldnt commit mission critical data to a database that needs to be > >> vacuumed once a week'. So why does pg need vacuum? > > > > Oh man oh man. After reading the article, I realized he was saying that > > he wouldn't trust PostgreSQL to replace Oracle. He apparently wouldn't > > trust MySQL to replace oracle either. > > > > But, the next time someone says that slony is a toy add on, and MySQL > > has REAL replication, point them to THIS page on the same blog: > > > > http://ebergen.net/wordpress/?p=70 > > > > You must have missed the FAQ and other side notes about replication in > the MySQL manual. Essentially MySQL replication is nothing but a query > duplicating system, with the added sugar of taking care of now() and > some other non-deterministic things, but not all of them. > > Non-deterministic user defined procedures, functions and triggers will > simply blow MySQL's sophisticated replication apart. True, but I never expected a CTRL-C to the mysql command line to break replication. Even for MySQL's lackadaisical behaviour, that's pretty far out.