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Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2007 05:34:34 -0400
From: Joe <dev@freedomcircle.net>
Subject: Re: We all are looped on Internet: request + transport =
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Hi Dmitry,

On Wed, 2007-04-25 at 10:47 +0300, Dmitry Turin wrote:
> J> And there's nothing wrong with Perl, PHP, Python and the myriad
> J> interface languages.
> 
> I said many times, what is wrong:
> applied users can not join sql and perl, can not use libraries,
> and can not adjust web-server.

I strongly disagree.  I have not taken any formal courses on PHP, HTML,
Apache or Python, and I only took a couple of week-long courses on SQL
ages ago (Perl I don't care for).  Yet I've learned enough on my own to
"join" them and use their libraries and put up a website.  And I believe
there are others on this list and elsewhere that have done so, to
varying degrees.  And yet others may require the assistance of a
technical specialist or a full-time programming team, but what's wrong
with that?

> J> thousands of users may agree and converge on those choices.
> 
> 1. Not users, but programmers.
> 2. Needs are produced also, as goods and capital goods.
>      Karl Marks
>    For example, look at yourself.

We are on diametrically opposed sides of that argument, but it's
off-topic, so I'll leave it alone.

Joe