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Subject: Re: We all are looped on Internet: request + transport =
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From: Adam Tauno Williams <adamtaunowilliams@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2007 12:57:39 -0400
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> >> J> And there's nothing wrong with Perl, PHP, Python and the myriad
> >> J> interface languages.
> >> I said many times, what is wrong:
> >> applied users can not join sql and perl, can not use libraries,
> >> and can not adjust web-server.
> J> II have not taken any formal courses
> Joe, i speak not about you, but about statistics.
> J> there are others on this list and elsewhere that have done so
> Second question: why?
> For what people must learn php, etc,
> if they need only output data from database.

They don't;  there are a myriad options.  I've got numerous 'normal
users' who use a database to do reasonably sophisticated things.  All
you need is a good client;  we use DbVisualizer
[ http://www.minq.se/products/dbvis/ ].  There are others,  you don't
need a programming language at all if all you want is "output data from
database".  Many of these, including DbVisualizer include GUI
drag-n-drop query builders.

Yes, you have to learn some SQL,  but there is no case where you get
something for nothing;  and almost all humans are reliably
quick-studies, even innovative, when they are properly motivated.

> >others may require the assistance of a
> J> technical specialist or a full-time programming team, but what's wrong
> J> with that?
> expenses of money, time, nerve to explain task to other man

-- 
Adam Tauno Williams, Network & Systems Administrator
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Developer - http://www.opengroupware.org