Received: from localhost (maia-4.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D2B09FB734 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:57:50 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.183]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03075-07 for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:57:47 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from smtp2.yandex.ru (smtp2.yandex.ru [213.180.200.18]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C715C9FB68B for ; Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:57:46 -0300 (ADT) Received: from [82.209.238.118] ([82.209.238.118]:2827 "EHLO asup_tur" smtp-auth: "sql4-en" TLS-CIPHER: TLS-PEER-CN1: ) by mail.yandex.ru with ESMTP id S3375525AbXDXL5Y (ORCPT ); Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:57:24 +0400 X-Comment: RFC 2476 MSA function at smtp2.yandex.ru logged sender identity as: sql4-en Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 15:00:45 +0300 From: Dmitry Turin X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.01) Personal Reply-To: Dmitry Turin X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <12717281062.20070424150045@narod.ru> To: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org Subject: Fwd: Re[2]: We all are looped on Internet: request+transport = invariant In-Reply-To: <462CA410.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> References: <14110647859.20070413105812@narod.ru><20070413150936.GA31517@phl ogiston.dyndns.org><1684192906.20070419090827@narod.ru><20070419134808.GB14 187@phlogiston.dyndns.org><20070419134808.GB14187@phlogiston.dyndns.org><81 4860828.20070420120819@narod.ru><4628BCC8.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><1453364 9203.20070420172127@narod.ru><462C7282.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><918607984. 20070423130717@narod.ru> <462CA410.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.393 tagged_above=0 required=5 tests=AWL=-0.247, BAYES_50=0.001, URIBL_SBL=1.639 X-Spam-Level: * X-Archive-Number: 200704/222 X-Sequence-Number: 28222 Good day, Bart. > I'll continue with the analogy Let's suppose, that you want to compare rational and hierarchical DBMS instead of discussion about removing gaskets (by the way, hierarchical DBMS also need gasket between itself and external world). Because TML should integrated inside rational DBMS, I think, this comparison is useful too. First, let's accept convention to not use metaphore. It would be better, if we compare concrete details. Bart, under your influence i want to download and try hierarchical DBMS, which you list (Adabas, GT.M., IMS, DMSII, Focus, Metakit). That is so much important, because my wish to add TML to PG is growing :) Excuse me, Bart, our institution use only OS "Windows", thus at first stage let conduct comparison between TML and hierarchical DBMS only for "Windows". Several revisions: 1. "Adabas" is this http://www.softwareag.com/Corporate/products/adabas/download/default.asp (ada51.zip, 31Mb)? 2. "GT.M" exists only form Unix-like OS. 3. "IMS, DMSII, Focus" - i don't find link to download 4. "Metakit" is this http://www.softlookup.com/download.asp?id=6904 (metakit-2.01.tar.gz, 607 Kb). Our users consider, that it is no database in general. I agree with them. Are you agree to make comparison in discussion with me? Dmitry Turin http://html6.by.ru http://sql4.by.ru http://computer2.by.ru