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* Significance of Database Encoding
@ 2005-05-15 15:33 Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>
2005-05-15 17:02 ` Re: Significance of Database Encoding PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com>
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From: Rajesh Mallah @ 2005-05-15 15:33 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-sql
Hi ,
I would want to know what is the difference between databases
that are created using UNICODE encoding and SQL_ASCII encoding.
I have an existing database that has SQL_ASCII encoding but
still i am able to store multibyte characters that are not
in ASCII character set. for example:
tradein_clients=# \l
List of databases
+-----------------+----------+-----------+
| Name | Owner | Encoding |
+-----------------+----------+-----------+
| template0 | postgres | SQL_ASCII |
| template1 | postgres | SQL_ASCII |
| tradein_clients | tradein | SQL_ASCII |
+-----------------+----------+-----------+
tradein_clients=# SELECT * from t_A;
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| a |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| 私はガラス
|
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Above is some japanese character.
I have seen some posting regarding migrating databases from
SQL_ASCII to UNICODE, given the above observation what
significance does a migration have.
Regards
Rajesh Kumar Mallah.
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* Re: Significance of Database Encoding
2005-05-15 15:33 Significance of Database Encoding Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>
@ 2005-05-15 17:02 ` PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com>
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From: PFC @ 2005-05-15 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>; pgsql-sql
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> | 私はガラス
> +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
You say it displays correctly in xterm (ie. you didn't see these in your
xterm).
There are HTML/XML unicode character entities, probably generated by your
mailer from your Unicode cut'n'paste.
Using SQL ASCII to store UTF8 encoded data will work, but postgres won't
know that it's manipulating multibyte characters, so for instance the
length of a string will be its Byte length instead of correctly counting
the characters, collation rules will be funky, etc. And substring() may
well cut in the middle of an UTF8 multibyte char which will then screw
your application side processing...
Apart from that, it'll work ;)
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* Re: Significance of Database Encoding
@ 2005-05-15 18:38 Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>
2005-05-15 19:48 ` Re: Significance of Database Encoding PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com>
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From: Rajesh Mallah @ 2005-05-15 18:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com>; pgsql-sql
--- PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com> wrote:
>
> > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
> > | 私はガラス
> > +--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------+
>
> You say it displays correctly in xterm (ie. you didn't see these in your
> xterm).
> There are HTML/XML unicode character entities, probably generated by your
> mailer from your Unicode cut'n'paste.
That is correct.
Now the question is how to convert from SQL_ASCII to UNICODE.
Mailing lists suggests to run recode or iconv on the dump file
and restore. The problem is on running iconv with -f US-ASCII
the program aborted:
$ iconv -f US-ASCII -t UTF-8 < test.sql > out.sql
iconv: illegal input sequence at position 114500
Any ideas how the job can be accomplised reliably.
Also my database may contain data in multiple encodings
like WINDOWS-1251 and WINDOWS-1256 in various places
as data has been inserted by different peoples using
different sources and client software.
Regds
Rajesh Kumar Mallah.
> Using SQL ASCII to store UTF8 encoded data will work, but postgres won't
> know that it's manipulating multibyte characters, so for instance the
> length of a string will be its Byte length instead of correctly counting
> the characters, collation rules will be funky, etc. And substring() may
> well cut in the middle of an UTF8 multibyte char which will then screw
> your application side processing...
> Apart from that, it'll work ;)
>
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* Re: Significance of Database Encoding
2005-05-15 18:38 Re: Significance of Database Encoding Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>
@ 2005-05-15 19:48 ` PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com>
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From: PFC @ 2005-05-15 19:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>; pgsql-sql
> $ iconv -f US-ASCII -t UTF-8 < test.sql > out.sql
> iconv: illegal input sequence at position 114500
>
> Any ideas how the job can be accomplised reliably.
>
> Also my database may contain data in multiple encodings
> like WINDOWS-1251 and WINDOWS-1256 in various places
> as data has been inserted by different peoples using
> different sources and client software.
You could use a simple program like that (in Python):
output = open( "unidump", "w" )
for line in open( "your dump" ):
for encoding in "utf-8", "iso-8859-15", "whatever":
try:
output.write( unicode( line, encoding ).encode( "utf-8" ))
break
except UnicodeError:
pass
else:
print "No suitable encoding for line..."
I'd say this might work, if UTF-8 cannot absorb an apostrophe inside a
multibit character. Can it ?
Or you could do that to all your table using SELECTs but it's going to be
painful...
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* Re: Significance of Database Encoding
@ 2005-05-16 02:16 Rajesh Mallah <mallah_rajesh@yahoo.com>
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From: Rajesh Mallah @ 2005-05-16 02:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-sql
--- PFC <lists@boutiquenumerique.com> wrote:
>
> > $ iconv -f US-ASCII -t UTF-8 < test.sql > out.sql
> > iconv: illegal input sequence at position 114500
> >
> > Any ideas how the job can be accomplised reliably.
> >
> > Also my database may contain data in multiple encodings
> > like WINDOWS-1251 and WINDOWS-1256 in various places
> > as data has been inserted by different peoples using
> > different sources and client software.
>
> You could use a simple program like that (in Python):
>
> output = open( "unidump", "w" )
> for line in open( "your dump" ):
> for encoding in "utf-8", "iso-8859-15", "whatever":
> try:
> output.write( unicode( line, encoding ).encode( "utf-8" ))
> break
> except UnicodeError:
> pass
> else:
> print "No suitable encoding for line..."
This may not work . Becuase ,conversion to utf-8 can be successfull (no runtime error)
even for an incorrect guess of the original encoding but the result will be an
incorrect utf8.
Regds
Rajesh Kumar Mallah
>
> I'd say this might work, if UTF-8 cannot absorb an apostrophe inside a
> multibit character. Can it ?
>
> Or you could do that to all your table using SELECTs but it's going to be
> painful...
>
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