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* Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
@ 2005-08-15 22:19 Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
2005-08-15 22:42 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
2005-08-15 22:43 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Andreas Seltenreich <andreas+pg@gate450.dyndns.org>
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From: Sebastian Siewior @ 2005-08-15 22:19 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-sql
Hello hopefully correct List,
I was trying to do something that is not working as it supposed to.
First I created a table:
create table t (
col CHAR (3) CONSTRAINT numonly_col CHECK ( col ~ '^\\d+$' )
);
This check avoids non-numbers like '1a1' and allows '123'. For some
reason, I'm unable to find out why, it also avoids things like '1' and
'12'. Could someone please give me hint? :)
I was trying this one on PostgreSQL 8.0.3
--
Regards
Sebastian Siewior
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
2005-08-15 22:19 Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
@ 2005-08-15 22:42 ` Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
2005-08-16 00:21 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Michael Fuhr @ 2005-08-15 22:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>; +Cc: pgsql-sql
On Tue, Aug 16, 2005 at 12:19:50AM +0200, Sebastian Siewior wrote:
>
> create table t (
> col CHAR (3) CONSTRAINT numonly_col CHECK ( col ~ '^\\d+$' )
> );
>
> This check avoids non-numbers like '1a1' and allows '123'. For some
> reason, I'm unable to find out why, it also avoids things like '1' and
> '12'. Could someone please give me hint? :)
The CHAR(3) specification causes the value to be space-padded, so
'1' becomes '1 ' (the digit "one" followed by two spaces). See
"Character Types" in the documentation:
http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.0/static/datatype-character.html
Do you have a reason for using a character type instead of a numeric
type like integer?
--
Michael Fuhr
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
2005-08-15 22:19 Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
2005-08-15 22:42 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
@ 2005-08-16 00:21 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2005-08-16 00:43 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2005-08-16 00:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>; +Cc: Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>; pgsql-sql
Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org> writes:
> The CHAR(3) specification causes the value to be space-padded, so
> '1' becomes '1 ' (the digit "one" followed by two spaces).
Actually, we seem to be going out of our way to make this case fail.
Given that we consider trailing spaces in char(n) to be semantically
insignificant, would it make sense to strip them before doing the
regex pattern match? That would happen automatically if we allowed
the char(n) value to promote to text --- and the only reason it's
not doing so is that there's an extra ~ operator definition that
specifically prevents that (bpcharregexeq).
I have a feeling that we added that operator definition at some point
for backwards compatibility, but it seems a bit odd now.
regards, tom lane
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
2005-08-15 22:19 Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
2005-08-15 22:42 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
2005-08-16 00:21 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
@ 2005-08-16 00:43 ` Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
2005-08-16 01:14 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Michael Fuhr @ 2005-08-16 00:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>; +Cc: Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>; pgsql-sql
On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 08:21:23PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
> Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org> writes:
> > The CHAR(3) specification causes the value to be space-padded, so
> > '1' becomes '1 ' (the digit "one" followed by two spaces).
>
> Actually, we seem to be going out of our way to make this case fail.
> Given that we consider trailing spaces in char(n) to be semantically
> insignificant, would it make sense to strip them before doing the
> regex pattern match?
How standards-compliant would that be? Does the standard specify
what should happen when using SIMILAR TO with a char(n) value?
I notice that equality and SQL regular expressions treat trailing
spaces differently -- is that intentional or accidental?
CREATE TABLE foo (test char(3));
INSERT INTO foo VALUES ('1');
SELECT test, test = '1', test SIMILAR TO '1' FROM foo;
test | ?column? | ?column?
------+----------+----------
1 | t | f
(1 row)
SELECT test, test = '1 ', test SIMILAR TO '1 ' FROM foo;
test | ?column? | ?column?
------+----------+----------
1 | t | t
(1 row)
> That would happen automatically if we allowed
> the char(n) value to promote to text --- and the only reason it's
> not doing so is that there's an extra ~ operator definition that
> specifically prevents that (bpcharregexeq).
"bpcharregexeq" -- didn't Philip Glass write the score to that?
--
Michael Fuhr
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
2005-08-15 22:19 Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
2005-08-15 22:42 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
2005-08-16 00:21 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
2005-08-16 00:43 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>
@ 2005-08-16 01:14 ` Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>
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From: Tom Lane @ 2005-08-16 01:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org>; +Cc: Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>; pgsql-sql
Michael Fuhr <mike@fuhr.org> writes:
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2005 at 08:21:23PM -0400, Tom Lane wrote:
>> Given that we consider trailing spaces in char(n) to be semantically
>> insignificant, would it make sense to strip them before doing the
>> regex pattern match?
> How standards-compliant would that be? Does the standard specify
> what should happen when using SIMILAR TO with a char(n) value?
Hmm ... suddenly I'm getting a strong sense of deja vu ... think we've
been around this merry-go-round before. SQL99 says
ii) The <predicate>
MC LIKE PC
is true if there exists a partitioning of MCV into
substrings such that:
1) A substring of MCV is a sequence of 0 (zero) or more
contiguous <character representation>s of MCV and each
<character representation> of MCV is part of exactly one
substring.
2) If the i-th substring specifier of PCV is an arbitrary
character specifier, the i-th substring of MCV is any
single <character representation>.
3) If the i-th substring specifier of PCV is an arbitrary
string specifier, then the i-th substring of MCV
is any sequence of 0 (zero) or more <character
representation>s.
4) If the i-th substring specifier of PCV is neither an
arbitrary character specifier nor an arbitrary string
specifier, then the i-th substring of MCV is equal to
that substring specifier according to the collating
sequence of the <like predicate>, without the appending
of <space> characters to MCV, and has the same length as
that substring specifier.
5) The number of substrings of MCV is equal to the number
of substring specifiers of PCV.
Rule ii.4 says that you use the collating sequence associated with the
data values, which is where the SQL spec keeps its space sensitivity
information --- but the restrictions about not adding space characters
and having the same length seem to be intended to prevent use of
pad-space-insensitivity to create a match.
I think we read this text before, came to the same conclusion, and
put in the special operator to make it behave that way. So ...
never mind.
regards, tom lane
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
2005-08-15 22:19 Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
@ 2005-08-15 22:43 ` Andreas Seltenreich <andreas+pg@gate450.dyndns.org>
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From: Andreas Seltenreich @ 2005-08-15 22:43 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>; +Cc: pgsql-sql
Sebastian Siewior schrob:
> Hello hopefully correct List,
perfectly.
> I was trying to do something that is not working as it supposed to.
> First I created a table:
>
> create table t (
> col CHAR (3) CONSTRAINT numonly_col CHECK ( col ~ '^\\d+$' )
> );
>
> This check avoids non-numbers like '1a1' and allows '123'. For some
> reason, I'm unable to find out why, it also avoids things like '1' and
> '12'. Could someone please give me hint? :)
Char is padded with spaces, and that is also why your regexp is not
matching in these situations. You could either adjust your regexp to
match the trailing spaces or use varchar(3) instead:
--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
scratch=# select '1'::char(3) ~ '^\\d+$';
?column?
----------
f
(1 row)
scratch=# select '1'::char(3) ~ '^\\d+\\s*$';
?column?
----------
t
(1 row)
scratch=# select '1'::varchar(3) ~ '^\\d+$';
?column?
----------
t
(1 row)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
regards
Andreas
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
@ 2005-08-15 22:37 Dmitri Bichko <dbichko@aveopharma.com>
2005-08-15 22:55 ` Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
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From: Dmitri Bichko @ 2005-08-15 22:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-sql
I'm guessing it's because char gets padded with spaces to the specified
length.
Any reason you are using char(3) instead of varchar(3)? And why are you
storing numbers as a string, anyway? If you defined the column as a
numeric type, postgres will tell you if you try to insert something
non-numeric.
Dmitri
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Subject: [SQL] Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
Hello hopefully correct List,
I was trying to do something that is not working as it supposed to.
First I created a table:
create table t (
col CHAR (3) CONSTRAINT numonly_col CHECK ( col ~ '^\\d+$' )
);
This check avoids non-numbers like '1a1' and allows '123'. For some
reason, I'm unable to find out why, it also avoids things like '1' and
'12'. Could someone please give me hint? :)
I was trying this one on PostgreSQL 8.0.3
--
Regards
Sebastian Siewior
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
2005-08-15 22:37 Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check Dmitri Bichko <dbichko@aveopharma.com>
@ 2005-08-15 22:55 ` Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>
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From: Sebastian Siewior @ 2005-08-15 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-sql
On Mon, 15 Aug 2005 18:37:52 -0400
"Dmitri Bichko" <dbichko@aveopharma.com> wrote:
> I'm guessing it's because char gets padded with spaces to the
> specified length.
argh. Thank you.
> Any reason you are using char(3) instead of varchar(3)?
The numbers will have 2 or 3 digits so I tried to save some space :)
> And why are you storing numbers as a string, anyway? If you defined
> the column as a numeric type, postgres will tell you if you try to
> insert something non-numeric.
Correct. I will not let the values to be used together with
sum/avg/+/...
>
> Dmitri
>
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Regards
Sebastian Siewior
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* Re: Problem with a Pettern Matching Check
@ 2005-08-15 23:08 Dmitri Bichko <dbichko@aveopharma.com>
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From: Dmitri Bichko @ 2005-08-15 23:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Sebastian Siewior <lavish@kamp-dsl.de>; pgsql-sql
>> Any reason you are using char(3) instead of varchar(3)?
>The numbers will have 2 or 3 digits so I tried to save some space :)
Well, smallint is only 2 bytes, so it would be more compact than either
char(3) or varchar(3).
Dmitri
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