Received: from localhost (maia-5.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37DD39FB4C7 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:09:46 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.182]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 34990-01-3 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:09:42 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.4 Received: from main2.mycybernet.net (main2.mycybernet.net [209.222.63.140]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E735E9FB455 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 12:09:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: from 227-54-222-209.mycybernet.net ([209.222.54.227] helo=phlogiston.dydns.org) by main2.mycybernet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1HcNPC-0008BK-8n for pgsql-sql@postgresql.org; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:09:42 -0400 Received: by phlogiston.dydns.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C76174050; Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 11:09:36 -0400 From: Andrew Sullivan To: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org Subject: Re: We all are looped on Internet: request + transport = invariant Message-ID: <20070413150936.GA31517@phlogiston.dyndns.org> References: <14110647859.20070413105812@narod.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <14110647859.20070413105812@narod.ru> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200704/144 X-Sequence-Number: 28144 On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 10:58:12AM +0300, Dmitry Turin wrote: > The most general format for data is XML. Surely not. In particular, XML is actually miserably bad at capturing certain kinds of relations between items. It's in fact this assumption that has made this conversation seem like we're talking past one another. > Now SQL don't make this, thus we need one more language (php,etc). > It's very, very bad for un-experienced user. So what? If a user has no experience, and wants to do something new, why should they not have to do some work to learn how to do those things? SQL is not so fantastically hard that you can't learn it. Indeed, I'm pretty sure that if someone as foolish as I can learn it, anyone can. A -- Andrew Sullivan | ajs@crankycanuck.ca If they don't do anything, we don't need their acronym. --Josh Hamilton, on the US FEMA