Received: from makus.postgresql.org (makus.postgresql.org [98.129.198.125]) by mail.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 341CFCE6EC for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 14:29:06 -0300 (ADT) Received: from etc.kandalaya.org ([83.143.86.98] helo=images.kandalaya.org) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SfaKX-00069a-3B for pgsql-sql@postgresql.org; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:29:06 +0000 Received: from mail.linux-delhi.org ([115.242.113.162]) by images.kandalaya.org (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-9) with ESMTP id q5FHShcK002376 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:58:47 +0530 Received: from mail.linux-delhi.org (raju@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.linux-delhi.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-2.1) with ESMTP id q5FHSeLj019229 for ; Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:58:40 +0530 From: "Raj Mathur (=?utf-8?b?4KSw4KS+4KSc?= =?utf-8?b?IOCkruCkvuCkpeClgeCksA==?=)" Reply-To: raju@linux-delhi.org Organization: Kandalaya To: pgsql-sql@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Insane behaviour in 8.3.3 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 22:58:39 +0530 User-Agent: KMail/1.13.7 (Linux/3.2.0-2-686-pae; KDE/4.7.4; i686; ; ) References: <201206141139.35601.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> <201206151124.45021.achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-15" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <201206152258.39760.raju@linux-delhi.org> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-11.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, DNS_FROM_RFC_BOGUSMX, LOCAL_FROM_RAJU, RCVD_IN_PBL, RDNS_NONE autolearn=ham version=3.2.5 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5 (2008-06-10) on images.kandalaya.org X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.95.2 at images.kandalaya.org X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Pg-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Archive-Number: 201206/49 X-Sequence-Number: 36703 On Friday 15 Jun 2012, Samuel Gendler wrote: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Achilleas Mantzios < > > achill@matrix.gatewaynet.com> wrote: > > And i forgot to mention, minicom term emulation quality sucks, even > > giving simple > > shell commands is a PITA, upgrading the whole fleet would mean bast > > case scenario > > minimum 21K USD for the whole fleet + suspension of all other > > activities for two months. > > If physical travel was involved, the cost would be increased at > > even higher levels. > > And what is the cost of data corruption on large numbers of systems? > And how much to fix that, especially if multiple systems fail at the > same time? Some things aren't free. $21K in exchange for NOT having > had to keep systems up to date for 4 years seems like a decent > trade. While I agree in principle with what you're saying, this specific comparison would be better stated as "What is the cost of data corruption multiplied by the risk of that corruption occurring?" The cost of upgrading is known and unavoidable. The cost of data corruption, while probably higher (unless Achilles has an effective backup/restore system), needs to be factored by its probability of occurance. Of course, neither you nor I are in Achilles' shoes, so trying to figure out where they pinch is academic at best. Regards, -- Raj -- Raj Mathur || raju@kandalaya.org || GPG: http://otheronepercent.blogspot.com || http://kandalaya.org || CC68 It is the mind that moves || http://schizoid.in || D17F