Received: from localhost (maia-3.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4A489FBFDF for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:58:42 -0300 (ADT) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 57255-03 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:58:23 -0300 (ADT) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.5 Received: from smtp-out.neti.ee (smtp-out.neti.ee [194.126.126.41]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9631F9FC020 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 17:58:36 -0300 (ADT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.4.3 (20060930) (Debian) at neti.ee Received: from Relayhost1.neti.ee (Relayhost1 [88.196.174.141]) by MXR-8.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id 37C0D120315; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:58:32 +0300 (EEST) In-Reply-To: References: <20070614132540.GA70344@winnie.fuhr.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v752.3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Message-Id: <42F997D8-E95C-41F0-A94B-0417131BCDF9@skype.net> Cc: "Michael Fuhr" , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Kristo Kaiv Subject: Re: Random Unique Integer Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 23:58:28 +0300 To: "Campbell, Lance" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.752.3) X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200706/111 X-Sequence-Number: 28601 On 14.06.2007, at 22:40, Campbell, Lance wrote: > I have a web application that is used to create web surveys and web > forms. Users can create any number of surveys or forms at any time. > The primary key on one of my tables defines the ID for any given > form or > survey. I do NOT want the number sequential. Since I use the > number in > the web URL as a parameter, I don't want people guessing what > survey or > form is next. By creating a very large random number the users cannot > easily guess another form or survey's ID. This number is not designed > for security but to keep people from being nosey and poking around > easily into someone else's form or survey. > > Can a table have a primary key that is randomly generated? you could do it like this: test=# create table testsurvey (id_survey serial primary key, survey text); NOTICE: CREATE TABLE will create implicit sequence "testsurvey_id_survey_seq" for serial column "testsurvey.id_survey" NOTICE: CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index "testsurvey_pkey" for table "testsurvey" CREATE TABLE test=# insert into testsurvey (survey) values ('first'); INSERT 0 1 test=# insert into testsurvey (survey) values ('second'); INSERT 0 1 test=# insert into testsurvey (survey) values ('third'); INSERT 0 1 test=# select *, md5(id_survey) from testsurvey; id_survey | survey | md5 -----------+--------+---------------------------------- 1 | first | c4ca4238a0b923820dcc509a6f75849b 2 | second | c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c 3 | third | eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3 (3 rows) so you actually show out only the PK id-s md5 hash test=# create index idx_survey_md5 on testsurvey (md5(id_survey)); CREATE INDEX test=# select * from testsurvey where md5(id_survey) = 'c81e728d9d4c2f636f067f89cc14862c'; id_survey | survey -----------+-------- 2 | second The hashing algorithm you chose depends on the amount of rows you expect there. And also how difficult cracking it needs to be. In case you have many rows and you think collision checking is necessary you could store the calculated hash in a new column. for replication management purposes its better to keep the PK as serial / bigserial. Example: 100K surveys, hashtext(id) : 4B int 100 000 / 256 ** 4 = 42949 (1:42949 chance that the next number will lead to a valid survey entry) keep the hashed pk value in a separate row as you will deplete 1/42949-th of the hash space with 100K rows peace, Kristo