>>>> Richard Huxton <dev@archonet.com> 2008-02-15 = 11:50 >>>
>>> To see how e.g. \dC etc work start psql = with -E
>>>
>> I'm sorry, but I don't have commandline= access to the database. That would
>> require an amount of trust = and a level of competence our ICT department is incapable of.
>
&g= t;Well, if you have access to prt 5432 (or whatever you are using) on the =
>DB host you can run psql locally: psql -h <db-hostname>

from my windows cmd environment. Or should I start something else = first?

>As a last resort you can always see how they work on a = local copy, then
>cut + paste the SQL.

>>>> Richard Huxton <dev@archonet.com> 2008-02-15 11:50 >>>
>>> To see how e.g. \dC etc work start psql with -E
>>>
>> I'm sorry, but I don't have commandline access to the database. That would
>> require an amount of trust and a level of competence our ICT department is incapable of.
>
>Well, if you have access to prt 5432 (or whatever you are using) on the
>DB host you can run psql locally: psql -h <db-hostname>

All I have is my desktop Windows pc. I work on the database using EMS SQL Manager for PostgreSQL.

There I can run whatever statement I want, but it's not psql.

What do you exactly mean with "run psql locally"? Should I be able to run some psql.exe

from my windows cmd environment. Or should I start something else first?

The windows installer, available at;
http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/

Allows you to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql
So you can just install the psql command line tool onto your local machine.

Also,
Could you ask for a restricted account on the box that runs the DB?
Ie an account that only has access to the DB tools and DB you require to use?

I use ssh with a limited account to access a postgesql DB running on debian.
My account on the server only allows me access to my "home" directory (think your own documents and settings folder - if you're a windows only user...) on the server and the DB's that I have a requirement to use.

>As a last resort you can always see how they work on a local copy, then
>cut + paste the SQL.

Here too, I don't know what you mean exactly with "a local copy".

Download the the whole PostreSQL package;
http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/

The following link however is a good place to start it contains some really good information and the same link above to download the windows version of PostgreSQL.
http://pginstaller.projects.postgresql.org/faq/FAQ_windows.html

Then run an instance of PostgreSQL on your desktop PC.
That way you have "local" access to the DB and all of it's tools too.
You can "play around" with it to your hearts content, run SQL "scenarios" / test functions etc on your own copy of the DB.

Then when you're happy - perform the "locally tested" SQL upon your production DB via your admin tool of choice.

Hope this helps.

-- 
If I can ever be of any further assistance, please contact me.

Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis

PalCare Pty Ltd

657 Nicholson Street
Carlton North
Victoria 3054
Australia

P: +61 3 9381 4567
F: +61 3 9381 4657

M: +61 438 545 586
E: beau@palcare.com.au

W: http://www.palcare.com.au

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I can't install applications on my desktop pc

ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would = require

an amout of trust and...

>>> Richard Huxton <dev@ar= chonet.com> 2008-02-15 12:17 >>>
Well, the windows = installer comes with the backend database server,
psql.exe, pgadmin, = manuals etc. - I don't know if you can just install
psql. From psql = you can access local or remote databases. Same for the
pg_dump/restore = command-line tools. Unless EMS is accessing the server
via ODBC or = similar it should just work.

>> As a last resort you can = always see how they work on a local copy, then
>> cut + paste = the SQL.
> Here too, I don't know what you mean exactly with "a = local copy".

Install PostgreSQL locally, copy the schema from your = main server and
add some test data.

--
Richard = Huxton
Archonet Ltd

--=__Part2E08D137.1__=-- From Bart.Degryse@indicator.be Fri Feb 15 12:21:39 2008 Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012752E00DD for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:21:39 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 85634-01 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:21:27 -0400 (AST) Received: from interscan.indicator.com (mail.indicator.be [193.121.199.3]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDE562E002D for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:21:28 -0400 (AST) Received: from DOMEXT-MTA by webaccess.indicator.bewith Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:21:26 +0100 Message-Id: <47B591CD.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 13:21:17 +0100 From: "Bart Degryse" To: "PostgreSQL SQL List" Cc: "Richard Huxton" , "Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis" Subject: Re: Function description References: <47B56063.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B556E6.8090200@archonet.co m><47B56F0B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> <47B56651.9050600@archonet.com><47B 5798B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B5798B .A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B56E6 E.2010303@archonet.com><47B58012.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B58012.A3DD.00 30.0@indicator.be><47B57BA3.6040508@eclinic.com.au> In-Reply-To: <47B57BA3.6040508@eclinic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__PartB4924BAD.2__=" X-imss-version: 2.049 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@indicator.be X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200802/126 X-Sequence-Number: 30217 --=__PartB4924BAD.2__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis 2008-02-15 12:46 >>> >The windows installer, available at; >http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/=20 >Allows you to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql >So you can just install the psql command line tool onto your local = machine. I can't install applications on my desktop pc ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would require an amout of trust and... >Also,=20 >Could you ask for a restricted account on the box that runs the DB? >Ie an account that only has access to the DB tools and DB you require to = use? =20 I can certainly ask, but I will not get it...that would require an amout of trust and... --=__PartB4924BAD.2__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML

>>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis <gavinb@eclinic.com.au> = 2008-02-15 12:46 >>>
>The windows installer, available = at;
>http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/
>Allows you = to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql
>So you can just = install the psql command line tool onto your local machine.

I can't install applications on my desktop pc

ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would = require

an amout of trust and...

>Also,
>Could you ask for a = restricted account on the box that runs the DB?
>Ie an account that = only has access to the DB tools and DB you require to use?

I can certainly ask, but I will not get it...that would require

an amout of trust and...

--=__PartB4924BAD.2__=-- From gavinb@eclinic.com.au Fri Feb 15 12:33:50 2008 Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548382E0098 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11765-09 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:36 -0400 (AST) Received: from panda.hostingbay.net (panda.hostingbay.net [74.86.150.75]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3D72E0094 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:43 -0400 (AST) Received: from cpe-121-223-230-214.static.vic.bigpond.net.au ([121.223.230.214] helo=[192.168.1.199]) by panda.hostingbay.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JPzl3-0002Vw-Kx; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:33:38 +1100 Message-ID: <47B58682.6040402@eclinic.com.au> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:33:06 +1100 From: Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis Organization: PalCare Pty Ltd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bart Degryse CC: PostgreSQL SQL List Subject: Re: Function description References: <47B56063.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B556E6.8090200@archonet.co m><47B56F0B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> <47B56651.9050600@archonet.com><47B 5798B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B5798B .A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B56E6 E.2010303@archonet.com><47B58012.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B58012.A3DD.00 30.0@indicator.be><47B57BA3.6040508@eclinic.com.au> <47B591CD.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> In-Reply-To: <47B591CD.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010505050501080207080606" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - panda.hostingbay.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - postgresql.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - eclinic.com.au X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200802/127 X-Sequence-Number: 30218 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010505050501080207080606 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040602050305040405010603" --------------040602050305040405010603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart, You just need to put forward an appropriate case. It isn't a case of I would like these things. It is, I MUST have these things in order to perform my job. I MUST have a local / development database for testing and educational / learning purposes - unless of course you would like me to use the production server for testing? It isn't up to ICT to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they have a role to play - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they don't make policy - just enforce it. you can bet that in order to perform their tasks they have a collection of tools and programs they use. You NEED / MUST have these things in order to successfully do yours. I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to direct the ICT group to perform the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete your duties - if you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first. Always give them the benefit of doubt and ask first. You just may well be surprised. Not to mention it you gives some ammunition with your manager to say; "I have already asked ICT myself but they are unwilling to assist - can you direct them to provide the things I need?". Bart Degryse wrote: > >>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis 2008-02-15 12:46 >>> > >The windows installer, available at; > >http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/ > >Allows you to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql > >So you can just install the psql command line tool onto your local > machine. > I can't install applications on my desktop pc > ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would require > an amout of trust and... > > >Also, > >Could you ask for a restricted account on the box that runs the DB? > >Ie an account that only has access to the DB tools and DB you require > to use? > > I can certainly ask, but I will not get it...that would require > an amout of trust and... > -- If I can ever be of any further assistance, please contact me. Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis PalCare Pty Ltd 657 Nicholson Street Carlton North Victoria 3054 Australia P: +61 3 9381 4567 F: +61 3 9381 4657 M: +61 438 545 586 E: beau@palcare.com.au W: http://www.palcare.com.au --------------040602050305040405010603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart,

You just need to put forward an appropriate case.

It isn't a case of I would like these things.
It is,
I MUST have these things in order to perform my job.

I MUST have a local / development database for testing and educational / learning purposes - unless of course you would like me to use the production server for testing?

It isn't up to ICT to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they have a role to play - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they don't make policy - just enforce it.
you can bet that in order to perform their tasks they have a collection of tools and programs they use.

You NEED / MUST have these things in order to successfully do yours.

I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to direct the ICT group to perform the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete your duties - if you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first.

Always give them the benefit of doubt and ask first. You just may well be surprised.
Not to mention it you gives some ammunition with your manager to say;
"I have already asked ICT myself but they are unwilling to assist - can you direct them to provide the things I need?".

Bart Degryse wrote:

>>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis <gavinb@eclinic.com.au> 2008-02-15 12:46 >>>
>The windows installer, available at;
>http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/
>Allows you to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql
>So you can just install the psql command line tool onto your local machine.

I can't install applications on my desktop pc

ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would require

an amout of trust and...

>Also,
>Could you ask for a restricted account on the box that runs the DB?
>Ie an account that only has access to the DB tools and DB you require to use?

I can certainly ask, but I will not get it...that would require
an amout of trust and...

-- 
If I can ever be of any further assistance, please contact me.

Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis

PalCare Pty Ltd

657 Nicholson Street
Carlton North
Victoria 3054
Australia

P: +61 3 9381 4567
F: +61 3 9381 4657

M: +61 438 545 586
E: beau@palcare.com.au

W: http://www.palcare.com.au

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I do have a development database, but not locally. And I don't have psql. =20 >It isn't up to ICT to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they = have a role to play - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they = don't make policy - just enforce it. In our company they do. =20 >you can bet that in order to perform their tasks they have a collection = of tools and programs they use. =20 Of course they do. >You NEED / MUST have these things in order to successfully do yours. =20 Uptil now, I haven't felt that lacking the use of psql has prevented me in = doing my job. Of course sometimes it would be nice to=20 have it, but not necessary. >I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to direct the = ICT group to perform=20 >the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete your = duties - if=20 >you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first. =20 Officially their manager and my manager have the same level in the = company's hierarchy. But in reality they run the company as far as anything related to = technology is concerned, and we are at best tolerated. And if you were to ask "So why do you stick to that company"... In the region I live there are very few companies offering jobs like mine. There is one very big one with lots of jobs, but since they are semi-gouver= nmental, they are not free in setting the wages, so basically they pay much less than private = companies. The alternative is to go work farther from home (meaning in the capital). = There are lots of jobs there, but they also imply that - I will spend some 2.5 to 3 hours in traffic jams per day. - I won't be able to bring my children to school each morning (I will have = to leave home much earlier to get to the capital in time) - I won't be able to pick up my children from school on wednesday noons = (too far) - I won't be able to walk my dog at noon (too far) - I will hardly see my children in the evening: by the time I get home, = it's bedtime for them So however annoying the situation on this job may be, it's hardly = impossible to find an=20 equally well paid job as close to home (a 5 minute drive) as this one. =20 --=__PartE7C118F1.1__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML

>>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis <gavinb@eclinic.com.au> = 2008-02-15 13:33 >>>
>I MUST have a local / development database for testing and = educational / learning purposes - unless of course you would like me = to use the production server for testing?

I do have a development = database, but not locally. And I don't have psql.

>It isn't up to ICT = to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they have a role to play = - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they don't make policy - = just enforce it.

In our company they = do.

>you can bet that in = order to perform their tasks they have a collection of tools and programs = they use.

Of course they do.

>You NEED / MUST have = these things in order to successfully do yours.

Uptil now, I haven't = felt that lacking the use of psql has prevented me in doing my job. Of = course sometimes it would be nice to

have it, but not = necessary.

>I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to = direct the ICT group to perform

>the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete = your duties - if

>you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first.

Officially their manager and my manager have the same level in the = company's hierarchy.

But in reality they run the company as far as anything related to = technology is concerned,

and we are at best tolerated.

And if you were to ask "So = why do you stick to that company"...

In the region I live there are very few companies offering jobs like = mine.

There is one very big one with lots of jobs, but since they are = semi-gouvernmental, they are not

free in setting the wages, so basically they pay much less than = private companies.

The alternative is to go work farther from home (meaning in the = capital). There are lots

of jobs there, but they also imply that

- I will spend some 2.5 to 3 hours in traffic jams per day.

- I won't be able to bring my children to school each morning (I will = have to leave home much earlier to get to the capital in time)

- I won't be able to pick up my children from school on wednesday = noons (too far)

- I won't be able to walk my dog at noon (too far)

- I will hardly see my children in the evening: by the time I get = home, it's bedtime for them

So however annoying the situation on this job may be, it's hardly = impossible to find an

equally well paid job as close to home (a 5 minute drive) as = this one.

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