Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 548382E0098 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11765-09 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:36 -0400 (AST) Received: from panda.hostingbay.net (panda.hostingbay.net [74.86.150.75]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B3D72E0094 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:33:43 -0400 (AST) Received: from cpe-121-223-230-214.static.vic.bigpond.net.au ([121.223.230.214] helo=[192.168.1.199]) by panda.hostingbay.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JPzl3-0002Vw-Kx; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:33:38 +1100 Message-ID: <47B58682.6040402@eclinic.com.au> Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:33:06 +1100 From: Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis Organization: PalCare Pty Ltd User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.9 (Windows/20071031) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bart Degryse CC: PostgreSQL SQL List Subject: Re: Function description References: <47B56063.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B556E6.8090200@archonet.co m><47B56F0B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> <47B56651.9050600@archonet.com><47B 5798B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B5798B .A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B56E6 E.2010303@archonet.com><47B58012.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B58012.A3DD.00 30.0@indicator.be><47B57BA3.6040508@eclinic.com.au> <47B591CD.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> In-Reply-To: <47B591CD.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010505050501080207080606" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - panda.hostingbay.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - postgresql.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - eclinic.com.au X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200802/127 X-Sequence-Number: 30218 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010505050501080207080606 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------040602050305040405010603" --------------040602050305040405010603 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart, You just need to put forward an appropriate case. It isn't a case of I would like these things. It is, I MUST have these things in order to perform my job. I MUST have a local / development database for testing and educational / learning purposes - unless of course you would like me to use the production server for testing? It isn't up to ICT to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they have a role to play - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they don't make policy - just enforce it. you can bet that in order to perform their tasks they have a collection of tools and programs they use. You NEED / MUST have these things in order to successfully do yours. I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to direct the ICT group to perform the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete your duties - if you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first. Always give them the benefit of doubt and ask first. You just may well be surprised. Not to mention it you gives some ammunition with your manager to say; "I have already asked ICT myself but they are unwilling to assist - can you direct them to provide the things I need?". Bart Degryse wrote: > >>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis 2008-02-15 12:46 >>> > >The windows installer, available at; > >http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/ > >Allows you to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql > >So you can just install the psql command line tool onto your local > machine. > I can't install applications on my desktop pc > ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would require > an amout of trust and... > > >Also, > >Could you ask for a restricted account on the box that runs the DB? > >Ie an account that only has access to the DB tools and DB you require > to use? > > I can certainly ask, but I will not get it...that would require > an amout of trust and... > -- If I can ever be of any further assistance, please contact me. Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis PalCare Pty Ltd 657 Nicholson Street Carlton North Victoria 3054 Australia P: +61 3 9381 4567 F: +61 3 9381 4657 M: +61 438 545 586 E: beau@palcare.com.au W: http://www.palcare.com.au --------------040602050305040405010603 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bart,

You just need to put forward an appropriate case.

It isn't a case of I would like these things.
It is,
I MUST have these things in order to perform my job.

I MUST have a local / development database for testing and educational / learning  purposes - unless of course you would like me to use the production server for testing?

It isn't up to ICT to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they have a role to play - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they don't make policy - just enforce it.
you can bet that in order to perform their tasks they have a collection of tools and programs they use.

You NEED / MUST have these things in order to successfully do yours.

I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to direct the ICT group to perform the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete your duties - if you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first.

Always give them the benefit of doubt and ask first. You just may well be surprised.
Not to mention it you gives some ammunition with your manager to say;
"I have already asked ICT myself but they are unwilling to assist - can you direct them to provide the things I need?".

Bart Degryse wrote:
>>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis <gavinb@eclinic.com.au> 2008-02-15 12:46 >>>
>The windows installer, available at;
>http://www.postgresql.org/ftp/win32/
>Allows you to install the DB and / OR the tools including psql
>So you can just install the psql command line tool onto your local machine.
I can't install applications on my desktop pc
ICT won't install that application on my desktop pc... that would require
an amout of trust and...

>Also,
>Could you ask for a restricted account on the box that runs the DB?
>Ie an account that only has access to the DB tools and DB you require to use?
 
I can certainly ask, but I will not get it...that would require
an amout of trust and...


-- 
If I can ever be of any further assistance, please contact me.

Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis

PalCare Pty Ltd

657 Nicholson Street
Carlton North
Victoria 3054
Australia

P: +61 3 9381 4567
F: +61 3 9381 4657

M: +61 438 545 586
E: beau@palcare.com.au

W: http://www.palcare.com.au
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