Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.184]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2AEF2E011E for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:00:38 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (mx1.hub.org [200.46.204.184]) (amavisd-maia, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06950-02-3 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:00:23 -0400 (AST) Received: from interscan.indicator.com (mail.indicator.be [193.121.199.3]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F1FB2E0118 for ; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 09:00:27 -0400 (AST) Received: from DOMEXT-MTA by webaccess.indicator.bewith Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:00:25 +0100 Message-Id: <47B59AF0.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise Internet Agent 7.0.1 Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:00:17 +0100 From: "Bart Degryse" To: "Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis" Cc: "PostgreSQL SQL List" Subject: Re: Function description References: <47B56063.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B556E6.8090200@archonet.co m><47B56F0B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be> <47B56651.9050600@archonet.com><47 B 5798B.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B5798B .A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B56 E6 E.2010303@archonet.com><47B58012.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B58012.A3DD .00 30.0@indicator.be><47B57BA3.6040508@eclinic.com.au><47B591CD.A3DD.0030. 0@indicator.be><47B591CD.A3DD.0030.0@indicator.be><47B58682.6040402@eclinic.com.au> In-Reply-To: <47B58682.6040402@eclinic.com.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=__PartE7C118F1.1__=" X-imss-version: 2.049 X-imss-result: Passed X-imss-approveListMatch: *@indicator.be X-Virus-Scanned: Maia Mailguard 1.0.1 X-Archive-Number: 200802/128 X-Sequence-Number: 30219 --=__PartE7C118F1.1__= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis 2008-02-15 13:33 >>> >I MUST have a local / development database for testing and educational / = learning purposes - unless of course you would like me to use the = production server for testing? I do have a development database, but not locally. And I don't have psql. =20 >It isn't up to ICT to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they = have a role to play - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they = don't make policy - just enforce it. In our company they do. =20 >you can bet that in order to perform their tasks they have a collection = of tools and programs they use. =20 Of course they do. >You NEED / MUST have these things in order to successfully do yours. =20 Uptil now, I haven't felt that lacking the use of psql has prevented me in = doing my job. Of course sometimes it would be nice to=20 have it, but not necessary. >I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to direct the = ICT group to perform=20 >the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete your = duties - if=20 >you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first. =20 Officially their manager and my manager have the same level in the = company's hierarchy. But in reality they run the company as far as anything related to = technology is concerned, and we are at best tolerated. And if you were to ask "So why do you stick to that company"... In the region I live there are very few companies offering jobs like mine. There is one very big one with lots of jobs, but since they are semi-gouver= nmental, they are not free in setting the wages, so basically they pay much less than private = companies. The alternative is to go work farther from home (meaning in the capital). = There are lots of jobs there, but they also imply that - I will spend some 2.5 to 3 hours in traffic jams per day. - I won't be able to bring my children to school each morning (I will have = to leave home much earlier to get to the capital in time) - I won't be able to pick up my children from school on wednesday noons = (too far) - I won't be able to walk my dog at noon (too far) - I will hardly see my children in the evening: by the time I get home, = it's bedtime for them So however annoying the situation on this job may be, it's hardly = impossible to find an=20 equally well paid job as close to home (a 5 minute drive) as this one. =20 --=__PartE7C118F1.1__= Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: HTML
>>> Gavin 'Beau' Baumanis <gavinb@eclinic.com.au> = 2008-02-15 13:33 >>>
>I MUST have a local / development database for testing and = educational / learning  purposes - unless of course you would like me = to use the production server for testing?
I do have a development = database, but not locally. And I don't have psql.
 
>It isn't up to ICT = to tell you what you can and can't have... Sure, they have a role to play = - to keep the servers / desktops running - but they don't make policy - = just enforce it.
In our company they = do.
 
>you can bet that in = order to perform their tasks they have a collection of tools and programs = they use.
 
Of course they do.

>You NEED / MUST have = these things in order to successfully do yours.
 
Uptil now, I haven't = felt that lacking the use of psql has prevented me in doing my job. Of = course sometimes it would be nice to
have it, but not = necessary.

>I would speak to my supervisor / manager and get him/her to = direct the ICT group to perform
>the necessary tasks so as to allow you to competently complete = your duties - if
>you don't get any joy out of talking to them yourself first.
=
 
Officially their manager and my manager have the same level in the = company's hierarchy.
But in reality they run the company as far as anything related to = technology is concerned,
and we are at best tolerated.

And if you were to ask "So = why do you stick to that company"...
In the region I live there are very few companies offering jobs like = mine.
There is one very big one with lots of jobs, but since they are = semi-gouvernmental, they are not
free in setting the wages, so basically they pay much less than = private companies.
The alternative is to go work farther from home (meaning in the = capital). There are lots
of jobs there, but they also imply that
- I will spend some 2.5 to 3 hours in traffic jams per day.
- I won't be able to bring my children to school each morning (I will = have to leave home much earlier to get to the capital in time)
- I won't be able to pick up my children from school on wednesday = noons (too far)
- I won't be able to walk my dog at noon (too far)
- I will hardly see my children in the evening: by the time I get = home, it's bedtime for them
So however annoying the situation on this job may be, it's hardly = impossible to find an
equally well paid job as close to home (a 5 minute drive) as = this one.
 
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