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@ 2016-03-28 22:51 Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
2016-03-28 22:58 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
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From: Michael Moore @ 2016-03-28 22:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: pgsql-sql
I want to create some web page screens with postgres as the db. It is just
for simple prototyping. I don't need scalability or high performance. I
just want the simplest possible environment to toss up some quick web pages
with postgres data. Hopefully no app server or middle tier.
What should I be looking at?
Thanks,
Mike
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* Re: need advice for simple web development tools
2016-03-28 22:51 need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
@ 2016-03-28 22:58 ` Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
2016-03-28 23:27 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Steve Midgley <science@misuse.org>
2016-03-28 23:41 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com>
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From: Adrian Klaver @ 2016-03-28 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>; pgsql-sql
On 03/28/2016 03:51 PM, Michael Moore wrote:
> I want to create some web page screens with postgres as the db. It is
> just for simple prototyping. I don't need scalability or high
> performance. I just want the simplest possible environment to toss up
> some quick web pages with postgres data. Hopefully no app server or
> middle tier.
> What should I be looking at?
Since you are using a database I am assuming you want the pages to be at
least somewhat dynamic e.g. respond to user input. If this is the case
that would tend to point to some sort of middle tier to negotiate
between the Web server and the database.
So some questions:
1) What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of interaction
between the user and the data?
2) What language(s) do you want to work in?
> Thanks,
> Mike
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* Re: need advice for simple web development tools
2016-03-28 22:51 need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
2016-03-28 22:58 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
@ 2016-03-28 23:27 ` Steve Midgley <science@misuse.org>
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From: Steve Midgley @ 2016-03-28 23:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>; +Cc: Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>; pgsql-sql
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
wrote:
> On 03/28/2016 03:51 PM, Michael Moore wrote:
>
>> I want to create some web page screens with postgres as the db. It is
>> just for simple prototyping. I don't need scalability or high
>> performance. I just want the simplest possible environment to toss up
>> some quick web pages with postgres data. Hopefully no app server or
>> middle tier.
>> What should I be looking at?
>>
>
> Since you are using a database I am assuming you want the pages to be at
> least somewhat dynamic e.g. respond to user input. If this is the case that
> would tend to point to some sort of middle tier to negotiate between the
> Web server and the database.
>
> So some questions:
>
> 1) What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of interaction between
> the user and the data?
>
> 2) What language(s) do you want to work in?
>
> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>
> A lot depends on your answers to Mike's questions - and depending on your
language preferences there are lots of very good options out there. I
personally like Ruby on Rails for setting up interactive websites based on
Postgres very quickly. There's a lot of scaffolding to help you out - a
friend of mine built a pretty full featured mobile site with almost no
coding ability.
But if your dynamic data and user interface needs are lower, then consider
WordPress or Drupal. The problem with these is their data models are highly
abstracted, so while they use Postgres for persistence, your data won't be
easily visible in their tables.
Steve
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* Re: need advice for simple web development tools
2016-03-28 22:51 need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
2016-03-28 22:58 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
@ 2016-03-28 23:41 ` David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com>
2016-03-29 00:17 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
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From: David Binney @ 2016-03-28 23:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>; Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>; pgsql-sql
Hey Michael,
If you are new to development and would like a very simple setup, I would
suggest one of the php frameworks such as cakePHP or Symphony. With these
you should be able to scaffold up a very basic application within the hour,
which is the same for ROR and djangoproject(python).
I have been developing for a long time and still always fall back to php
with a framework, for its sheer simplicity of setup, deployment, hosting
and scaling. CakePHP 3x has some good introduction tutorials as well.
http://cakephp.org/
Obviously this is personal opinion, but the fact that our interns can
learn, develop and push out 'heavily" used app apps in a very short
timeframe, makes me think its not too bad ;).
--
Steve also raises a good point, that if you are just setting up websites
then Wordpress/Durupal or Joomla which could be used with no coding
required, and more flexibility on the client end.
On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 at 08:59 Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
wrote:
> On 03/28/2016 03:51 PM, Michael Moore wrote:
> > I want to create some web page screens with postgres as the db. It is
> > just for simple prototyping. I don't need scalability or high
> > performance. I just want the simplest possible environment to toss up
> > some quick web pages with postgres data. Hopefully no app server or
> > middle tier.
> > What should I be looking at?
>
> Since you are using a database I am assuming you want the pages to be at
> least somewhat dynamic e.g. respond to user input. If this is the case
> that would tend to point to some sort of middle tier to negotiate
> between the Web server and the database.
>
> So some questions:
>
> 1) What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of interaction
> between the user and the data?
>
> 2) What language(s) do you want to work in?
>
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
>
>
> --
> Adrian Klaver
> adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
>
>
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>
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Cheers David Binney
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* Re: need advice for simple web development tools
2016-03-28 22:51 need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
2016-03-28 22:58 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
2016-03-28 23:41 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com>
@ 2016-03-29 00:17 ` Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
2016-03-29 22:49 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Dmitrii Ruban <dmitry@ruban.biz>
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From: Michael Moore @ 2016-03-29 00:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com>; +Cc: Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>; pgsql-sql
On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:41 PM, David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Michael,
>
> If you are new to development and would like a very simple setup, I would
> suggest one of the php frameworks such as cakePHP or Symphony. With these
> you should be able to scaffold up a very basic application within the hour,
> which is the same for ROR and djangoproject(python).
>
> I have been developing for a long time and still always fall back to php
> with a framework, for its sheer simplicity of setup, deployment, hosting
> and scaling. CakePHP 3x has some good introduction tutorials as well.
>
> http://cakephp.org/
>
> Obviously this is personal opinion, but the fact that our interns can
> learn, develop and push out 'heavily" used app apps in a very short
> timeframe, makes me think its not too bad ;).
>
> --
> Steve also raises a good point, that if you are just setting up websites
> then Wordpress/Durupal or Joomla which could be used with no coding
> required, and more flexibility on the client end.
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 at 08:59 Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 03/28/2016 03:51 PM, Michael Moore wrote:
>> > I want to create some web page screens with postgres as the db. It is
>> > just for simple prototyping. I don't need scalability or high
>> > performance. I just want the simplest possible environment to toss up
>> > some quick web pages with postgres data. Hopefully no app server or
>> > middle tier.
>> > What should I be looking at?
>>
>> Since you are using a database I am assuming you want the pages to be at
>> least somewhat dynamic e.g. respond to user input. If this is the case
>> that would tend to point to some sort of middle tier to negotiate
>> between the Web server and the database.
>>
>> So some questions:
>>
>> 1) What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of interaction
>> between the user and the data?
>>
>> 2) What language(s) do you want to work in?
>>
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mike
>>
>>
>> --
>> Adrian Klaver
>> adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
>>
>>
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> --
> Cheers David Binney
>
Basically I just wanted to some basic Add Change Inquire Delete
functionality. I've been developing software for about 40 years. First job
was Fortran. So, I have a bit of experience but most of it not relevant at
this point. Anyway I'm not averse to learning new technologies. I'm going
to look into cakePHP.
Thanks for the suggestions.
Mike
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* Re: need advice for simple web development tools
2016-03-28 22:51 need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
2016-03-28 22:58 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
2016-03-28 23:41 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com>
2016-03-29 00:17 ` Re: need advice for simple web development tools Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
@ 2016-03-29 22:49 ` Dmitrii Ruban <dmitry@ruban.biz>
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From: Dmitrii Ruban @ 2016-03-29 22:49 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>; +Cc: pgsql-sql
Hi Michael,
If all you need is basic data manipulation, you probably could use existing
solutions like http://phppgadmin.sourceforge.net/doku.php or anything from
this list
http://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Community_Guide_to_PostgreSQL_GUI_Tools
Cheers
On Tue, Mar 29, 2016 at 1:17 PM, Michael Moore <michaeljmoore@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2016 at 4:41 PM, David Binney <donkeysoft@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Michael,
>>
>> If you are new to development and would like a very simple setup, I would
>> suggest one of the php frameworks such as cakePHP or Symphony. With these
>> you should be able to scaffold up a very basic application within the hour,
>> which is the same for ROR and djangoproject(python).
>>
>> I have been developing for a long time and still always fall back to php
>> with a framework, for its sheer simplicity of setup, deployment, hosting
>> and scaling. CakePHP 3x has some good introduction tutorials as well.
>>
>> http://cakephp.org/
>>
>> Obviously this is personal opinion, but the fact that our interns can
>> learn, develop and push out 'heavily" used app apps in a very short
>> timeframe, makes me think its not too bad ;).
>>
>> --
>> Steve also raises a good point, that if you are just setting up websites
>> then Wordpress/Durupal or Joomla which could be used with no coding
>> required, and more flexibility on the client end.
>>
>> On Tue, 29 Mar 2016 at 08:59 Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/28/2016 03:51 PM, Michael Moore wrote:
>>> > I want to create some web page screens with postgres as the db. It is
>>> > just for simple prototyping. I don't need scalability or high
>>> > performance. I just want the simplest possible environment to toss up
>>> > some quick web pages with postgres data. Hopefully no app server or
>>> > middle tier.
>>> > What should I be looking at?
>>>
>>> Since you are using a database I am assuming you want the pages to be at
>>> least somewhat dynamic e.g. respond to user input. If this is the case
>>> that would tend to point to some sort of middle tier to negotiate
>>> between the Web server and the database.
>>>
>>> So some questions:
>>>
>>> 1) What exactly are you trying to achieve in terms of interaction
>>> between the user and the data?
>>>
>>> 2) What language(s) do you want to work in?
>>>
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Mike
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Adrian Klaver
>>> adrian.klaver@aklaver.com
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-sql
>>>
>> --
>> Cheers David Binney
>>
>
> Basically I just wanted to some basic Add Change Inquire Delete
> functionality. I've been developing software for about 40 years. First job
> was Fortran. So, I have a bit of experience but most of it not relevant at
> this point. Anyway I'm not averse to learning new technologies. I'm going
> to look into cakePHP.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
> Mike
>
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