Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2023 11:58:56 +0200 (CEST)
From: Andreas Joseph Krogh <andreas@visena.com>
To: "Skelton, Adam J" <Adam.Skelton@fisglobal.com>
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P=C3=A5 mandag 25. september 2023 kl. 02:01:28, skrev Skelton, Adam J <
Adam.Skelton@fisglobal.com <mailto:Adam.Skelton@fisglobal.com>>:

Hi,


I hope I have the correct group here.


I have a question that I am struggling to find answers for in the=20
documentation. Does Postgres have problems with creation / changes to datab=
ase=20
schema objects when the database is actively being used?


In particular =E2=80=93 rightly or wrongly =E2=80=93 our developers want ou=
r application to=20
occasionally issue the following kinds of DDL when it=E2=80=99s in active u=
se


Alter table ... add column ...

Create / drop materialised view ...

Create / drop table created with INHERITANCE


I know oracle hates this and you can run into some serious issues, SQL serv=
er=20
generally lets you away with it.


Should we expect problems if we decided to do this in the latest version of=
=20
Postgres?


Thanks for your time.

Adam

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It will cause problems if you mix DDL and DML when having deferred constrai=
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with following updates in the same TX.


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</style><div class=3D"ck-content" data-visena-message-id=3D"_VisenaEmail.a6=
e.1bf6172a1534952b.18acbc594bb@origo02.app.internal.visena.net_"><div>P=C3=
=A5 mandag 25. september 2023 kl. 02:01:28, skrev Skelton, Adam J &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:Adam.Skelton@fisglobal.com">Adam.Skelton@fisglobal.com</a>&gt;=
:</div><blockquote><div class=3D"WordSection1"><p class=3D"MsoNormal visena=
Normal">Hi,</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal visenaNormal">I hope I have the correct group here.</p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal visenaNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">I hav=
e a question that I am struggling to find answers for in the documentation.=
=C2=A0 Does Postgres have problems with creation / changes to database sche=
ma objects when the database is actively being used?</p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al visenaNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">In particula=
r =E2=80=93 rightly or wrongly =E2=80=93 our developers want our applicatio=
n to occasionally issue the following kinds of DDL when it=E2=80=99s in act=
ive use</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal visenaNormal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;">Alte=
r table ... add column ...</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal"><s=
pan style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;">Create / drop materialis=
ed view ...</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal"><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;">Create / drop table created with INHERI=
TANCE</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal"><span style=3D"font-fam=
ily:&quot;Courier New&quot;;">=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visena=
Normal"><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;">=C2=A0</span><=
/p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">I know oracle hates this and you can=
 run into some serious issues, SQL server generally lets you away with it. =
=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">=C2=A0</p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al visenaNormal">Should we expect problems if we decided to do this in the =
latest version of Postgres?</p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">=C2=A0</=
p><p class=3D"MsoNormal visenaNormal">Thanks for your time.</p><p class=3D"=
MsoNormal visenaNormal">Adam</p></div><p class=3D"visenaNormal">The informa=
tion contained in this message is proprietary and/or confidential. If you a=
re not the intended recipient, please: (i) delete the message and all copie=
s; (ii) do not disclose, distribute or use the message in any manner; and (=
iii) notify the sender immediately. In addition, please be aware that any m=
essage addressed to our domain is subject to archiving and review by person=
s other than the intended recipient. Thank you.</p></blockquote><p class=3D=
"visenaNormal">It will cause problems if you mix DDL and DML when having de=
ferred constraints with following updates in the same TX.</p><p class=3D"vi=
senaNormal">=C2=A0</p><div class=3D"visena-email-signature" data-visena-mes=
sage-id=3D"_VisenaEmail.a6e.1bf6172a1534952b.18acbc594bb@origo02.app.intern=
al.visena.net_"><div><div><div>--</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:aria=
l,helvetica,sans-serif;"><strong>Andreas Joseph Krogh</strong></span></div>=
<div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;">CTO / Partner<=
/span> - Visena AS</div><div><span style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,san=
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