Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxtu-00Cbow-JJ for pgsql-translators@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:10:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxtr-00DXDn-43 for pgsql-translators@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:10:35 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxtq-00DXDT-2a for pgsql-translators@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:10:35 +0000 Received: from wout4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.20]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnxtk-00908Y-Ve for pgsql-translators@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 09:10:33 +0000 Received: from compute5.internal (compute5.nyi.internal [10.202.2.45]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id E29903200A3A; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 05:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute5.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 04 Oct 2023 05:10:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-transfer-encoding :content-type:content-type:date:date:feedback-id:feedback-id :from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version :reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy :x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; t=1696410624; x= 1696497024; bh=WXXhRNZtP9MPh83YmrA3sf3ZYUfUyWyZoEdxu0itFWM=; b=h cfIFjEiNLebCn0jj3lojRAwzZOLP58/bCvoL1D2+XO7YeaZiPeHtucJ5Tyj2xsNW uKw0vcuo1t/cN5ncvrbj6l1gQgRK1MTZIygG8ZVoKMh9/g2DHwhdH824x2GNL7hI wh6/qEbsfmoqH82G3ET+VdeJ/A2lhhvhIR+ncp5qjoxf2p2eW2ypig8vc8HBH/5S T6GicsIZnclg91kD2gLKuWurHorkq+sUCWzVpn2fpgRX1ol3FBQqUJ8/lMvacD13 lJN3/faAb6hnLNGs/PtRYDSQMTY1oEsP+4yCblZiNCsvEuEx/c3M1sVWTE+QBoG+ bQhmTzSyRPO317EvWZB9g== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvkedrgedvgdduvdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfghnecu uegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnthhsucdlqddutddtmdenuc fjughrpeffhffvvefukfggtggugfgjsehtkeertddttdejnecuhfhrohhmpeetlhhvrghr ohcujfgvrhhrvghrrgcuoegrlhhvhhgvrhhrvgesrghlvhhhrdhnohdqihhprdhorhhgqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedvkedtffduffdtffffheffhfejjefhgfeiueeukeejkeff gfdufffhudffffeuveenucffohhmrghinhepvghnthgvrhhprhhishgvuggsrdgtohhmne cuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheprghlvhhh vghrrhgvsegrlhhvhhdrnhhoqdhiphdrohhrgh X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: ia2694551:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 05:10:22 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=alvh.no-ip.org; s=schmee; t=1696410619; bh=vTtQldw8agiQz9kSICD902PfUhG4cokXGRCVaILFN6o=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:From; b=AxreDEzogj5Az/xaIkPe9I0vU5beLxnpp27iz5uXWBx/LHCz+p/N3AHFXrRSGSlHc 6PwxkrnOzkJqPGVzfKFdSmdSj6NXmJ4crvQCNCVBRUqSn/lOOoMJVfaVr3I1hf3fM2 CbyHTqhSwtq4YbkpJW8F0+yp4wPqjh4XgkhNaQGOiw9A2Aq/4CRsCetMQ379Q+g7jO MtzFmmdTYKwZkqk2thh4erZnc5bQexv97X935QEpuy8Wj2ABpOOYo7bu2V7/sa5t5S R4aDSDMeqRj0G8UkdeBotWTJGDCHbNfCD8leiLT8JtImCqf4eFu64mIWkrI5De6piO kkVRQESz2VQKA== Received: by perhan.alvh.no-ip.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id C7DD0128; Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:10:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 11:10:19 +0200 From: Alvaro Herrera To: Daniel Gustafsson Cc: Peter Eisentraut , Peter Geoghegan , Guillaume Lelarge , pgsql-translators@lists.postgresql.org Subject: Re: Is translating server messages really worth it? Message-ID: <202310040910.g22nzjng3maf@alvherre.pgsql> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk On 2023-Sep-28, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > Could we group messages that have all-or-nothing translations required, like > --help output, with separate msgctxt contexts? So "pg_dump --help" would be > "msgctxt pg_dump_help_screen" in the po file, which then could be analyzed in > order to make the call for including translationfiles or not? This is an interesting idea. So for that kind of thing (help screens) we would require a very high percentage in order to include it with the bundle (say 90%), but it would be a very small catalog so easy to translate; and for other things, say the bulk of server messages, we would require a lesser percentage in order to be included (even 60% could be more than good enough IMO). I'm not sure how that would work, however. -- Álvaro Herrera Breisgau, Deutschland — https://www.EnterpriseDB.com/