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From: Guillaume Lelarge <guillaume@lelarge.info>
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 09:38:35 +0200
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Subject: Re: Is translating server messages really worth it?
To: Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>
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Le mer. 27 sept. 2023 =C3=A0 17:28, Peter Eisentraut <peter@eisentraut.org>=
 a
=C3=A9crit :

> On 25.09.23 23:48, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> > The 80% rule always struck me as odd. It might make sense if falling
> > under the threshold meant that the translation was classified as a
> > second tier translation, or whatever. But it's a binary pass/fail
> > condition -- there are no reasonable gradations. A 79% complete
> > translation that nobody really has access to is 100% useless.
>
> At FOSDEM 2023 [0], I discussed the 80% rule with some other
> translations projects (e.g., KDE), but no one else seems to have such a
> system, so maybe it wasn't the right idea.
>
> [0]: https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/schedule/track/translations/
>
> One specific example of a thing I would like to avoid is that the --help
> output has a wild mix of translated and untranslated lines.
>
> Of course, this could be avoided by having the whole --help output as
> one translation catalog entry, which is exactly what we have not been
> doing, because that makes it harder to update between versions.
>
> So I don't know ...
>
>
I do like the idea of publishing a translation only if there's enough
translated strings. That's the 80% rule. Of course, the "80" part is kind
of arbitrary but you need a number and 80 is probably as good/bad as
anything else (at least above 60).


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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail=
_attr">Le=C2=A0mer. 27 sept. 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A017:28, Peter Eisentraut &lt;<=
a href=3D"mailto:peter@eisentraut.org">peter@eisentraut.org</a>&gt; a =C3=
=A9crit=C2=A0:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">O=
n 25.09.23 23:48, Peter Geoghegan wrote:<br>
&gt; The 80% rule always struck me as odd. It might make sense if falling<b=
r>
&gt; under the threshold meant that the translation was classified as a<br>
&gt; second tier translation, or whatever. But it&#39;s a binary pass/fail<=
br>
&gt; condition -- there are no reasonable gradations. A 79% complete<br>
&gt; translation that nobody really has access to is 100% useless.<br>
<br>
At FOSDEM 2023 [0], I discussed the 80% rule with some other <br>
translations projects (e.g., KDE), but no one else seems to have such a <br=
>
system, so maybe it wasn&#39;t the right idea.<br>
<br>
[0]: <a href=3D"https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/schedule/track/translations=
/" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://archive.fosdem.org/2023/sch=
edule/track/translations/</a><br>
<br>
One specific example of a thing I would like to avoid is that the --help <b=
r>
output has a wild mix of translated and untranslated lines.<br>
<br>
Of course, this could be avoided by having the whole --help output as <br>
one translation catalog entry, which is exactly what we have not been <br>
doing, because that makes it harder to update between versions.<br>
<br>
So I don&#39;t know ...<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I do like the idea of publishing a tra=
nslation only if there&#39;s enough translated strings. That&#39;s the 80% =
rule. Of course, the &quot;80&quot; part is kind of arbitrary but you need =
a number and 80 is probably as good/bad as anything else (at least above 60=
).<br></div></div><br clear=3D"all"><br><span class=3D"gmail_signature_pref=
ix">-- </span><br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"lt=
r"><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Guillaume.<br></div></div></div></div></div><=
/div>

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