Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwTv-00CUKJ-3b for pgsql-translators@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 07:39:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwTs-00D9dK-KQ for pgsql-translators@arkaria.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 07:39:40 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwTs-00D9cv-Du for pgsql-translators@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 07:39:40 +0000 Received: from mail-yb1-xb30.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::b30]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94.2) (envelope-from ) id 1qnwTp-0086z9-H6 for pgsql-translators@lists.postgresql.org; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 07:39:39 +0000 Received: by mail-yb1-xb30.google.com with SMTP id 3f1490d57ef6-d8198ca891fso1864801276.1 for ; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 00:39:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lelarge-info.20230601.gappssmtp.com; s=20230601; t=1696405176; x=1697009976; darn=lists.postgresql.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=MPWTPv75WxPEbYm6+IyWdrq/B67BzPwq4C5zt3kKuQ4=; b=dGf6wo/pnxfr7RBYGQ+ykFiWnXOD+rYaGy0SqzNv8KPmCCfjMBFXfggH3vgLqKEbWs ZpxtFACYug0PlUdFyWOWA7Hb6xEJC7GyCyq5OyDeFydP95ikz62cDDEURv/RRHDgM+Y6 wTKXD1BuINodDx0NfB++Kz9Dt2iw4kclNY8stCAI3jM4mQNMrkGX+1CoXVL95NTAKTh5 qWL3kyhvBgCbV0Zm3SUJgsqopjYTHNWstDaVQ9OcBQj1BF69r7+A4e24wNRCCSLA58L+ YmKbQpSEJ54IyNyzK9CE8a4X9Tdmxnvdx4xIaldEyDLoF8mvpMlmYxOWedg8TZbaIszJ Mczw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1696405176; x=1697009976; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=MPWTPv75WxPEbYm6+IyWdrq/B67BzPwq4C5zt3kKuQ4=; b=JnOQPnoblPM85idULS7KpqwQJV7TAFM1acEgq5svkQIo+gcM7r9ZFRlJJVsXzIgr/g qCDaFb1qxaztgEz32IzvqBXE0SWeRinQ5XgxD8YX8uruzKKZ97cyyvQBnJKYk7UGTlj2 Cnelx7w/OYnoY4JT0pRHPvpVP4IzO0s4343QdrI+AkH363oUX1vQJ6WmGxynH/uBS2ic c5uwcx5X9LPwq/YBIXBREJjxQWXJ6UkrM5bnh7HXygBKeLQ3Fc6Pqu+fszb8dN73wjH6 4XvZp6XsUcJ3Cw/206wU4rFTHPvWHYJCBsOyszz34IzTNgg6AB1SQ+XUE8RU91y80s2V HXHA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyT/eP+ipvvn2kMxSt97Nq7G8QAk3gW1EwTetU9GgLV1vVU0cyz /Mh9AyfMQZHO8EvoMORg5glhIJIcKOMuIJCYxcqLSaYGUo4ty96i X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGj0UTHaoLYifYXLK8AlwxzWZmLjkai/S6U8fH/CvsJTWosiEHTWYV4txDElXx6PG6k8oTBfLYCzhO8cSMWKIQ= X-Received: by 2002:a5b:48c:0:b0:d43:a84f:a6aa with SMTP id n12-20020a5b048c000000b00d43a84fa6aamr1321398ybp.39.1696405176599; Wed, 04 Oct 2023 00:39:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <806febc7-32d5-c777-9b21-fb471f977d37@eisentraut.org> In-Reply-To: <806febc7-32d5-c777-9b21-fb471f977d37@eisentraut.org> From: Guillaume Lelarge Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2023 09:39:25 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Is translating server messages really worth it? To: Peter Eisentraut Cc: pgsql-translators@lists.postgresql.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f259a10606df1bcd" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Archived-At: Precedence: bulk --000000000000f259a10606df1bcd Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le mer. 27 sept. 2023 =C3=A0 17:32, Peter Eisentraut = a =C3=A9crit : > On 25.09.23 20:45, Guillaume Lelarge wrote: > > So, yeah, I'm kinda wondering if it makes sense to translate server > > messages. For client tools, such as psql or pg_dump or vacuumdb, it > > definitely makes sense. But the server logs? I pretty much don't know. > > It's a lot of work, with some nearly-impossible-to-translate messages. > > > > Anyway, I was wondering how you feel about this. > > I think it would be good if we could prioritize messages somehow. I > think there'd be a lot of value with, like, the most important 500 > messages in the server. > > I have no idea how to arrange that. > > Sounds interesting but no idea either. > > And I have another question, quite a bit related :) If a file (let's sa= y > > psql-fr.po) is not translated at 80%, it's not distributed. But I was > > wondering if it was only this file (psql-fr.po) or all the files for > > this language? I'm considering leaving the postgres-fr.po file without > > any translation, but keep the other files up to date. > > For the record, this is per file. > > OK, thanks. --=20 Guillaume. --000000000000f259a10606df1bcd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le=C2=A0mer. 27 sept. 2023 =C3=A0=C2=A017:32, Peter Eisentraut <<= a href=3D"mailto:peter@eisentraut.org">peter@eisentraut.org> a =C3= =A9crit=C2=A0:
O= n 25.09.23 20:45, Guillaume Lelarge wrote:
> So, yeah, I'm kinda wondering if it makes sense to translate serve= r
> messages. For client tools, such as psql or pg_dump or vacuumdb, it > definitely makes sense. But the server logs? I pretty much don't k= now.
> It's a lot of work, with some nearly-impossible-to-translate messa= ges.
>
> Anyway, I was wondering how you feel about this.

I think it would be good if we could prioritize messages somehow.=C2=A0 I <= br> think there'd be a lot of value with, like, the most important 500
messages in the server.

I have no idea how to arrange that.


Sounds interesting but no idea either.=
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