Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUk6-0002WH-Vk for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:04:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUk5-0003i9-8l for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:04:41 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:3e1:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUk4-0003hc-SI for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:04:41 +0000 Received: from mail-wr1-x42c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::42c]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUk1-0005IS-Cw for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:04:39 +0000 Received: by mail-wr1-x42c.google.com with SMTP id r3so6859307wrj.6 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:04:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=870tNWgKh/K915/t+gwxfY90h2ajbQqLqLC/awjiv5I=; b=YkN9X1n8EdnQGkZWbxgSI8Kf8WHaGcuSqo2GRdHrnNuEfyL3NYMbdIMcFJR6N7cDWa fNKDkIutoHWQ42+NH7MCBSgUNOzpi16a88iJ3AwidlxHh/QlkppZwu9xsZPaKs1CUjPd /cBhjl1Nq2YrybK8W1KMi5wXL+/jRZlmoEczaJNCkN/+uKkBLWu1gdFiwfEf2vS4lTVv SE4Y0NpdFmUmEPCxX247ajSTRWlBsoexxKd3W/J5YDCAU76SIT+yUDNus5Jgs2V934l3 4fIARpubT352SklXxroqL7q1ZDdblfPYfNLByK622iqJMXo3Zqk3UN/lAOMPjW95Pm+a WTAQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=870tNWgKh/K915/t+gwxfY90h2ajbQqLqLC/awjiv5I=; b=N/G5WqC4HOOX1k1984UtTfM56w37zRX1V7TVRC9dy91S0i4AgtDGQuUvvP2EQiur4C 34f6sT9IH2inZ5Zqi0f3ocOgi9v+STrw9QBpyi8sXdVQZLuIkCU1Y4w7Aq+hwoPU1nkJ caep/OqGEiB1Dtm2TkS73CVDbYUEVH40akB4cKEYeR+tYdx6Ot36zHTLvhw0GSQPK84b U3Ep3M7L0J/CI79cqql0Re9ksOgZrcRb0/GeaLxsUOAj7PnBtXGK/w26Nr2p7CqMczTZ yalLr+A8r+A7nrUZVtwalA9TsHZWaGbSviVANOR2EnnEkrv6+FZe55k3y0KCM9PjyVKb OZ+g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXVOe9LguRKXuICMVXj5Zgd/f0kHYcH7SDtab2Vi0gCREKpgDWI lnO3yyDO1hJdFqNhffc+TQE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz7x4xEVB7CfP+ZGs6tWO4ypb74eQ8q8biIK/5GU4gcy1jPd2vLRoj5fSISCy0DM42hlBlYWg== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6203:: with SMTP id y3mr8574392wru.142.1571414676085; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.20.10.93] ([213.215.245.62]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n15sm7065232wrw.47.2019.10.18.09.04.35 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:04:35 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0B8AB6BE-5066-4EB1-B974-2688B0BDF9B0 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: Q&A at Postgres Women talk at pgconf.eu From: Renee X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (16G114) In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:04:34 +0200 Cc: pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <10B5AA78-AF2C-4DD1-BB95-A62C2CC66A68@gmail.com> References: To: Valeria Kaplan List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --Apple-Mail-0B8AB6BE-5066-4EB1-B974-2688B0BDF9B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you! This was me interrupting the question asked and I had some good c= onversations with community members and reflect. I have requested the confer= ence Terence to connect me to the asker so that I may apologize to him. In m= y head, I had a story that was based on my feelings and I was not a good lis= tener.=20 I really appreciate everyone=E2=80=99s attention to this and the opportunity= to be accountable and continue to stand in my values. My behavior in this i= nstance was not a good reflection of our community and I have a mentor back a= t home who will help me actively review and role play such situations so tha= t I can remain calm during them.=20 Thank you again, Renee > On Oct 18, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Valeria Kaplan wrote: >=20 > Hi All, >=20 > In light of openness and acceptance within our community I just wanted to r= aise an issue that I've seen happen during a Q&A session at the conference a= nd hear your thoughts.=20 >=20 > During a Postgres Women Q&A session at pgconf.eu there was a question from= one of the attendees that I don't think was handled very well. The question= was from a guy who raised, in my opinion, a very valid point about increasi= ng the number of female speakers at events. He wasn't able to finish his que= stion as the microphone has been taken from him and as he wanted to comment f= urther he wasn't given a microphone back.=20 >=20 > This actually made me feel a bit uneasy since I feel if we want equality i= n the community we must treat any questions people have with respect and sna= tching a microphone from them is a lack of basic courtesy that one expects r= egardless to the gender, believe etc. >=20 > Postgres Women is a fantastic initiative and I think the key is not to act= towards the majority in a way that we wouldn't tolerate as their behaviour t= owards minority. This might send a wrong message and actually have an opposi= te effect than what we are trying to achieve in the community.=20 >=20 > Sincerely, > Valeria >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:37 PM L=C3=A6titia Avrot wrote: >> Hi all, >>=20 >> As I'm still learning and not so good at organizing things, I didn't thin= k to take people's e-mail to contact them, so I have no other way than sendi= ng this invitation here to everyone. We'll get better next time. >>=20 >> Some quick information here : >> - the dinner is sponsor, you just need to take care of your drinks >> - the dinner time is 7:30 PM=20 >> - the restaurant is Ristorante Tagiura (please, find map enclosed) >> - before the dinner, we'll find a place to have a drink only with women (= we're actively looking for a place) >>=20 >> Have a nice day, >>=20 >> L=C3=A6titia >>=20 >> --=20 >> Paper doesn=E2=80=99t grow on trees. 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Tha= nk you! This was me interrupting the question asked and I had some good conv= ersations with community members and reflect. I have requested the conferenc= e Terence to connect me to the asker so that I may apologize to him. In my h= ead, I had a story that was based on my feelings and I was not a good listen= er. 

I really apprecia= te everyone=E2=80=99s attention to this and the opportunity to be accountabl= e and continue to stand in my values. My behavior in this instance was not a= good reflection of our community and I have a mentor back at home who will h= elp me actively review and role play such situations so that I can remain ca= lm during them. 

Thank= you again,
Renee

On Oct 18,= 2019, at 5:48 PM, Valeria Kaplan <vk= @dataegret.com> wrote:

Hi All,
In light of openness and acceptance within our community I just= wanted to raise an issue that I've seen happen during a Q&A session at t= he conference and hear your thoughts. 

During a= Postgres Women Q&A session at pgconf.eu there was a question from one of the attendees that I don't think was hand= led very well. The question was from a guy who raised, in my opinion, a very= valid point about increasing the number of female speakers at events. He wa= sn't able to finish his question as the microphone has been taken from him a= nd as he wanted to comment further he wasn't given a microphone back. <= /div>

This actually made me feel a bit uneasy since I fee= l if we want equality in the community we must treat any questions people ha= ve with respect and snatching a microphone from them is a lack of basic cour= tesy that one expects regardless to the gender, believe etc.
=
Postgres Women is a fantastic initiative and I think the key i= s not to act towards the majority in a way that we wouldn't tolerate as thei= r behaviour towards minority. This might send a wrong message and actually h= ave an opposite effect than what we are trying to achieve in the community.&= nbsp;

Sincerely,
Valeria


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On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:37 PM L= =C3=A6titia Avrot <laetitia.a= vrot@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

As I'm still learnin= g and not so good at organizing things, I didn't think to take people's e-ma= il to contact them, so I have no other way than sending this invitation here= to everyone. We'll get better next time.

Some quick information here= :
- the dinner is sponsor, you just need to take care of your drinks
= - the dinner time is 7:30 PM 
- the restaurant is Ristorante Ta= giura (please, find map enclosed)
- before the dinner, we'll find a= place to have a drink only with women (we're actively looking for a place)<= br>
Have a nice day,

L=C3=A6titia

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