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Subject: Re: Pgday italy
Date: Sat, 6 Apr 2019 12:58:15 -0400
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Some items on side 1 are the same. The only one I have major qualms
about is 4/5 ("Help with Postgres Women organization") since it's both
sort of implicit and extremely vague; it really needs a more concrete
call to action. Here's a reorganization with some editorial tweaks, see
how you like it:
/What you can do to help:/
/1. Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
2. Speak up if you observe gender (or other) bias, and report Code of
Conduct violations.
3. Promote and support the Postgres Women organization./
/If you're a woman:
/
/4. Show up! Attend conferences and social events, and participate in
the PostgreSQL community.
5. Speak at conferences and encourage other women doing the same.
/
/If you're a man:/
/6. Make women feel welcome in the community.
7. Be open with other men about your commitment to making the community
more inclusive, and invite them to join you.
/
On side 2, one suggestion and a bunch of nitpicks (can you tell I
moonlight as an editor?):
* lead off the "guys"-alternatives with "everyone".
* after "Girl/Girls", quote "woman" and "women".
* "Ladies/gals" should be "Ladies/Gals" and "Try women instead" should
quote "women".
* "Try using work instead" should quote "work".
* "Mr and Mrs" should be "Mr. and Mrs." and use double quotes instead of
single quotes.
* "They" should be "He/Him (generic)" or perhaps "Defaulting to gendered
pronouns" to follow the established "exclusive language: details and
alternatives" pattern.
Thanks for putting in all the work on this, Lætitia!
Dian
On 4/6/19 9:45 AM, Lætitia Avrot wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm sorry to bother you, but I really could do with some help with the
> flyer content (I can put that in form).
>
> For now here's what I have:
>
> /What you can do to help if you're a man:/
>
> 1. /Be open with other men about your commitment to make the
> community more inclusive and invite them to join.
> /
> 2. /Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community.
> /
> 3. /Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations./
> 4. /Help with Postgres Women organization./
> 5. /Make women feel welcome in the community./
>
> /What you can do if you're a woman:/
>
> 1. /Mentor and/or sponsor emerging women in the community./
> 2. /Attend to conf talk events and to social events afterwards./
> 3. /Speak to conf talk events and encourage other women to do so./
> 4. /Speak up if you observe gender bias. Report CoC violations./
> 5. /Help with Postgres Women organization./
>
>
> And for the other side (inclusive vocabulary):
>
> /Bossy: This term has been skewed to be a negative term to describe a
> woman that is direct and communicates expectations./
> /
> /
> /Guys: Using “guys” to address all people is gendered languages that
> may insinuate that men are the preferred gender at your organization.
> Instead, use gender-neutral language such as; folks, people, you all,
> y’all, and teammates./
> /
> /
> /Girl/Girls: For anyone over 18 years old, woman or women is a better
> choice./
> /
> /
> /Females: To many English speakers, “females” sounds like a scientific
> designation one would use for animals or plants. Try “women” instead.
> /
> /
> /
> /Housekeeping: In reference to office work, this language can feel
> gendered. Suggested alternative: maintenance, cleanup
> /
> /
> /
> /Ladies/gals: Terms like “ladies”, “gals” or others can feel
> patronizing to some. Try women instead, or “folks” or “people” for
> mixed-gender groups.
> /
> /
> /
> /Man: As a synonym for work — as in “man hours,” “man the inbox,” “man
> the conference booth,” — this is unnecessarily gendered language. Try
> using work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y’all,
> teammates
>
> Mr and Mrs: In English, Mr. is used for all men. However, in the past,
> women were either ‘Mrs.’ or ‘Miss’ depending on whether they were
> married. Now, ‘Ms.’ is used for all women. ‘Ms.’ reflects that it is
> not important to know whether a woman is married or not. /
> /
> /
> /They: Using they/them to indicate a single, gender neutral person is
> now commonly accepted. /
>
> Do you have other ideas ?
>
> I need to make the order quickly, so I really could do with your help!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Lætitia
>
> Le jeu. 4 avr. 2019 à 09:09, Lætitia Avrot <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
>
> Hello Postgres Women,
>
> I have excellent news: I asked PostgreSQL Europe for money to buy
> flyers, stickers and business cards for Postgres Women (and PGDay
> Italy) and they say yes, as long as those items are used in Europe
> only (because PostgreSQL Europe can't provide anything outside
> Europe).
>
> So now, I think I could do with some help about the flyers (I had
> a rate for two sides printing). In my mind,flyers would be
> 105x297mm (that's half a portrait A4 sheet). I thought we could
> have on one side the what you can do if your a man/woman and the
> inclusive glossary on the other, what do you think ?
>
> For the stickers, I think we could simply have the logo.
>
> For the business cards, I designed both sides you'll find enclosed
> (orange rectangle is where the cards will be cut). Any suggestions ?
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> Lætitia
>
> Le lun. 25 mars 2019 à 22:48, Boriss Mejias <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>> a écrit :
>
> gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> > Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the
> booth duty (and her
> > travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free
> ticket to her.
> >
> > I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on
> Twitter. Has she
> > contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and
> Boriss at the booth?
>
> Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have
> been thinking
> about ideas for the flyers and I have two:
>
> 1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at
> Nordic PgDay, there
> could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a
> woman" AND "if you
> are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the
> problem.
>
> 2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be
> really useful. For
> instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender
> neutral. My
> female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men
> and women. In
> doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I
> could say "hello
> guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the
> beginning of the
> century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary
> because of
> ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of
> words to avoid and
> words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not
> enough with sentences
> like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct
> alternative that
> is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words,
> but also to
> propose solutions.
>
> That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.
>
> Cheers
> Boriss
>
>
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gülçin
> >
> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >
> > +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
> >
> > Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>> a écrit :
> >
> > As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the
> conference gave us 5
> > free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are
> the perfect candidate
> > for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do
> it <3 If you are
> > worried about travel expenses I can personally cover
> your train trip.
> > Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Gülçin
> >
> > On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> > <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning,
> >
> > I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to
> be at the booth, I
> > can speak both Italian and English so that would
> be a plus.
> >
> > I just checked the trains from my city (Milan)
> to Bologna and
> > they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th,
> so I should be able
> > to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I
> can’t give you 100%
> > availability yet).
> >
> > I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket
> would be more
> > expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not
> sure how it works.
> >
> > Let me know,
> > Ilaria
> >
> > Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
> > <[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>
> <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>>:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can
> ask those ladies to
> >> do some booth duty as well, that can be our
> requirement for
> >> ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they
> should perform
> >> there, should not be anything hard even at the
> entry level.
> >>
> >> If there will be no women at the booth, I would
> vote for not to
> >> open the booth at first place.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Gülçin
> >>
> >> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias
> <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> >> <mailto:[email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Great news Lætitia,
> >>
> >> Just one correction, the event is on the
> 17th of May.
> >>
> >> I hope you can find some women to be at the
> booth.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Boriss
> >>
> >> Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth
> and 5 free tickets.
> >> >
> >> > This event will take place the 19th of
> May in Bologna.
> >> >
> >> > So, first, we need to give away the 5
> free tickets, so if
> >> you or a woman you
> >> > know is interested, just reply to me and
> I'll make sure
> >> you'll have one.
> >> >
> >> > Then, unfortunately, I won't be able to
> be there. I have a
> >> friend that could
> >> > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm
> concerned that a
> >> postgres women booth with
> >> > only a man could send the wrong
> message... Is any woman
> >> there available for that
> >> > event?
> >> >
> >> > Last but not least, what do we want to
> have in the postgres
> >> women booth? Do we
> >> > want to give away stickers? Do we want to
> print some flyers?
> >> Do we want to
> >> > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it
> would mean for us
> >> to manage money)? Do
> >> > we want to print and give away a list of
> postgres women
> >> public speakers? (please
> >> > add your ideas here)
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > Lætitia Avrot
> >>
>
>
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