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From: Boriss Mejias <bmejias@dcc.uchile.cl>
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Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 22:48:29 +0100
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gülçin yıldırım wrote on 25.03.19 16:44:
> Since there is no objection and Ilaria is willing to do the booth duty (and her 
> travel expenses are covered) we can give the first free ticket to her.
> 
> I saw one more women interested in the free tickets on Twitter. Has she 
> contacted us yet? Is she willing to help out Ilaria and Boriss at the booth?

Just to clarify, I'm not going to PgDay Italy. Although I have been thinking 
about ideas for the flyers and I have two:

1. Based on the lightning talk given by Renee and Louise at Nordic PgDay, there 
could be a flyer with a list of things to do "if you are a woman" AND "if you 
are a man". Like that, we, as men, can also understand the problem.

2. "Gender Neutral Vocabulary Cheat Sheet". This would be really useful. For 
instance, I didn't know that saying "Hello guys" wasn't gender neutral. My 
female English teacher said it was plural for people, both men and women. In 
doubt, I even asked once to two girls from the USA whether I could say "hello 
guys" to them, and they say it was OK. Anyway, this was at the beginning of the 
century.... but still, sometimes we use non-neutral vocabulary because of 
ignorance, not explicitly, so, having a flyer with a list of words to avoid and 
words to use instead would be useful. Note that it's not enough with sentences 
like: "don't say this..." The flyer needs to provide a correct alternative that 
is gender neutral. It shouldn't be a flyer to just ban words, but also to 
propose solutions.

That's what I could come up with. I hope it helps.

Cheers
Boriss


> 
> Cheers,
> Gülçin
> 
> On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 17:40, Lætitia Avrot <laetitia.avrot@gmail.com 
> <mailto:laetitia.avrot@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     +1 to give Illaria a ticket.
> 
>     Le sam. 23 mars 2019 à 12:47, gülçin yıldırım <yildirim.gulcin88@gmail.com
>     <mailto:yildirim.gulcin88@gmail.com>> a écrit :
> 
>         As far as I know (group needs to confirm this), the conference gave us 5
>         free tickets, so you can have one of them. You are the perfect candidate
>         for the booth as well! Thank you for willing to do it <3 If you are
>         worried about travel expenses I can personally cover your train trip.
>         Just let me know if it helps you to come there.
> 
>         Cheers,
>         Gülçin
> 
>         On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 12:02, Ilaria <ilaria.battiston@gmail.com
>         <mailto:ilaria.battiston@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>             Good morning,
> 
>             I’m an Italian postgres fan and I would love to be at the booth, I
>             can speak both Italian and English so that would be a plus.
> 
>             I just checked the trains from my city (Milan) to Bologna and
>             they’re about 30€ for a round trip on the 17th, so I should be able
>             to attend (I’m a little tight on money, so I can’t give you 100%
>             availability yet).
> 
>             I’m a student, so purchasing an ordinary ticket would be more
>             expensive - maybe you can give me that one? Not sure how it works.
> 
>             Let me know,
>             Ilaria
> 
>             Am 23.03.2019 um 11:20 schrieb gülçin yıldırım
>             <yildirim.gulcin88@gmail.com <mailto:yildirim.gulcin88@gmail.com>>:
> 
>>             Hi,
>>
>>             If we will give 5 free tickets perhaps we can ask those ladies to
>>             do some booth duty as well, that can be our requirement for
>>             ticket. We can decide what sort of tasks they should perform
>>             there, should not be anything hard even at the entry level.
>>
>>             If there will be no women at the booth, I would vote for not to
>>             open the booth at first place.
>>
>>             Cheers,
>>             Gülçin
>>
>>             On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 at 10:43, Boriss Mejias <bmejias@dcc.uchile.cl
>>             <mailto:bmejias@dcc.uchile.cl>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Great news Lætitia,
>>
>>                 Just one correction, the event is on the 17th of May.
>>
>>                 I hope you can find some women to be at the booth.
>>
>>                 Cheers
>>                 Boriss
>>
>>                 Lætitia Avrot wrote on 23.03.19 10:36:
>>                 > Hi all,
>>                 >
>>                 > Pgday Italy organizers have is a booth and 5 free tickets.
>>                 >
>>                 > This event will take place the 19th of May in Bologna.
>>                 >
>>                 > So,  first,  we need to give away the 5 free tickets,  so if
>>                 you or a woman you
>>                 > know is interested,  just reply to me and I'll make sure
>>                 you'll have one.
>>                 >
>>                 > Then,  unfortunately,  I won't be able to be there. I have a
>>                 friend that could
>>                 > be at the desk but he's a man and I'm concerned that a
>>                 postgres women booth with
>>                 > only a man could send the wrong message... Is any woman
>>                 there available for that
>>                 > event?
>>                 >
>>                 > Last but not least,  what do we want to have in the postgres
>>                 women booth? Do we
>>                 > want to give away stickers? Do we want to print some flyers?
>>                 Do we want to
>>                 > create awesome tee-shirts to sell (but it would mean for us
>>                 to manage money)? Do
>>                 > we want to print and give away a list of postgres women
>>                 public speakers? (please
>>                 > add your ideas here)
>>                 >
>>                 > Cheers,
>>                 >
>>                 > Lætitia Avrot
>>