Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aik-0002TV-Mz for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:48:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aij-0002kn-KQ for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:48:53 +0000 Received: from makus.postgresql.org ([2001:4800:1501:1::229]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aij-0002hP-Ad for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:48:53 +0000 Received: from mail-oi0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::231]) by makus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aif-0006FP-Gf for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:48:52 +0000 Received: by mail-oi0-x231.google.com with SMTP id x9-v6so4828059oig.7 for ; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:48:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ZM1uXaNbSp0MeSr+MhQ6IWMxbAIH21eZjEzKFT8/BCA=; b=bx0yl6N0BzxlKNqQbRiM5R2M/PTKDd2GpO+39NPU+Yga2/LUZCtgKp8aNYIvQgndyF iJqNqDoYSDdCevq0AAAc1Sxe+xp3SZGObFOypnYzu/wpbdwGj7QUK3Ww7Oql8tShWUtN UsoZLwxNXc89tKu2VbjHSo0rwKelFDOejZUDYF+eSMQmq+ukAApAZ0VFj5aaucwn3NKv tHfk1UH7srePOJ+4LpU50RaqGXO9/4XBMBPspdHEO3jy6WrOp4jUETYD9NVY9Z77ObFx gLhp5mKzHdPJAJ4Ehrgp18K/56sX0CLrzFL4lXm3PvV3gGecLCM0BZCuLdKkqmI+5AID p1jQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ZM1uXaNbSp0MeSr+MhQ6IWMxbAIH21eZjEzKFT8/BCA=; b=Nhv22ReIKLXiSjBJD3qpDNk8OQQPTwqTtepZ1zOCXnqIoxHu/Z4Np4yokWurPwedPh YRtzdUwCg+89OMTpW23MVr8SyuWXntYZzYEqnr0LktgEJa8OjNcL6lkMuy8haUN1rGVP tmS8SDOmn5bm+Q43px9QEQmJtdrdrJKf2MYQ7I1XE/CNpap7OA5x/6t9eQ6QlGe5YZFs +8b7W6D27uO4O66d5iruqXJ8Jt6ujsTmL+lOe6tn2O08lNYz1IbBZBjEPS+9koCN4LPe TGJaUcd4uVIbGVaTpbaSG9e/7G94CrtOmLWQorEoTO2KLrzMReaMqO0s761x6Dtp4/Ie xmAQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDfY9CoxgvqUIbsax3LDLn4ZgF/cIuytw003mEojLhbKrKCevGc QVkxHM9xYEyFje6FUHlK2FX9UvAhqdNt954d4ds= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx4/Ez+n0VVqqwcdims7KFYvASGC7iWHp99YroIUH1Jb9bXUcIDc8Fzp3Bf+FGBDXLLU0GGeZPz6/Gz8XGlBUtQ4= X-Received: by 2002:aca:3015:: with SMTP id w21-v6mr5636078oiw.131.1523533728472; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:48:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.201.0.8 with HTTP; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 04:48:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <38ee76b5-8bf5-9171-70de-f926b1e618c9@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?L=C3=A6titia_Avrot?= Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What we need to do To: Boriss Mejias Cc: pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b065010569a5563d" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000b065010569a5563d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Boriss > I think excluding men from certain activities can be positive in the goal > of making women feel welcomed. For instance: Women-only IRC/Slack channel= s > can be a good thing. Women-only Hackathon can also help in making women > feel welcomed. > > I strongly disagree. I want everyone to feel welcome, whatever their gender is. If you start creating little worlds without men, first you exclude people and that's a negative message to give and then it's totally artificial as our world is populated with both men and women. So if we feel there is a problem with with women representation in our community, we need to find a solution together. Men and women both have brain, so they can both come with creative ideas. Cheers, L=C3=A6titia --000000000000b065010569a5563d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Boriss


I think excluding men from certain activities can be positive in the goal o= f making women feel welcomed. For instance: Women-only IRC/Slack channels c= an be a good thing. Women-only Hackathon can also help in making women feel= welcomed.


I strongly disagree= . I want everyone to feel welcome, whatever their gender is. If you start c= reating little worlds without men, first you exclude people and that's = a negative message to give and then it's totally artificial as our worl= d is populated with both men and women. So if we feel there is a problem wi= th with women representation in our community, we need to find a solution t= ogether. Men and women both have brain, so they can both come with creative= ideas.

Cheers,

L=C3=A6titia
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