Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fAczV-0001aQ-DT for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:02:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fAczT-0003xa-CU for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:02:51 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fAcws-00035u-07 for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:00:10 +0000 Received: from mail-oi0-x235.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4003:c06::235]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1fAcwk-0000ZM-27 for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 15:00:09 +0000 Received: by mail-oi0-x235.google.com with SMTP id y20-v6so14555803oix.5 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 08:00:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=aCpU8RL0O7E/YdSXcFzh7bt4A6YnLoXpcxFABbimpz4=; b=lf6YEWVwy3F3lG83kRXl/I1hjLuTeSJI5Y/3OLjUM/dbL1ttO3OklcDfpEhJ8W24Y8 IrMPHGV6tqrevkVRVpcsW2L+wCy0WoW/v7mYOw16Vl0h16wrbDqBmZdz+vU2Mk0WVsKK ok5E9dmqaCPK+NsC+MjaP/Zwe2/zezg37w3/5WY354TFpCdSNXxp9nhz+3pjlyD5/JIa pouQF2ekxEIcM2ZN1JGO6LjCUmPOzGBJXbelGPBWkmDBcWAfSSTSi4Fbxofi0lSo15lM eua2h8AgJsaP3fEmSiv4A6jkkAfX0FSaG+qSMKBgosBwWszX1EzRr5LCpVsQYR9KJBY8 QwRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=aCpU8RL0O7E/YdSXcFzh7bt4A6YnLoXpcxFABbimpz4=; b=dn9IyKiTv6EnJSdBU6mi4HCrnzHrjMXKzIudNZ/PA4JhYy0ANusfTzvzFtL6ujfVS2 K+VmMVpqPgOJ1IpN2MdN6KWFzu8P8hQEX37Zs4diNksxtAoo8nvy/HdT0lt60nwONhHK ZERGvUPxR5bHdnwwN1c2fc9ky7mFkMViwt82OhN8kL2PSBwlI23PgXRLlSomNBdlp1NB ovxs89fcG8GSx4iCc+xpSyyyzbxF+7DcrcPfRsLI0EzqEXZZJh+YYseI597jxoZvd0HP eAiOAbTD/DFl6mKsnH39I4vrAs7AyUBAMgLr7y+Q56DvioqIVwAdCsEbUag3WVGNPV+b 4Ezw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALQs6tDuyVhqCTAmeiiELwDQn6VkNRLawS/gCWapJDOc3M/k78ef2yd8 yaFPk/d9vbEuSikbf8FDcTGfOTFV/9nBdaVxGjE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AIpwx48SohOCbdj+6+Tegeaz4Omlj9SuDTeU+WGbREqni67egLEeMH/uPzRwk08PSPgcD5n9SHZDh0TatEBxJpjqObI= X-Received: by 2002:aca:3056:: with SMTP id w83-v6mr13394696oiw.131.1524495599618; Mon, 23 Apr 2018 07:59:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <38ee76b5-8bf5-9171-70de-f926b1e618c9@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?L=C3=A6titia_Avrot?= Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2018 14:59:49 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What we need to do To: Elein Cc: Debra Cerda , Valeria Kaplan , Boriss Mejias , pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000ad509e056a854a3d" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000ad509e056a854a3d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Elein, > A little history. I had tried to create a postgres-women mailing list > several years ago. I wanted it to be women only, a la systers, and once > established possibly opening to anyone. I felt the time to forge our spac= e > was important. > > I was not included on most mail in the discussions with the committee. An= d > so was prevented from arguing my case. I also received vicious personal > emails. > > I have worked as a woman in tech for 30+ years. I have worked on > productized and open source postgres since 1992. > > I have happily worked with many postgres men. But the vitriol about our > list was beyond the pale. > > With all that said, carry on in your best way and I will support you. > > Elein Mustain > elein@varlena.com > 510-637-9106 > I can't find words to tell you how sorry I am for what you have to live through. My vision when beginning postgres women is quite different but I will always find time to read and hear other's point of view. You're, of course, welcome to our group and I'd like to chat with you to understand better your vision. Have a nice day, L=C3=A6titia > > --000000000000ad509e056a854a3d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Elein,=C2=A0


A little history. I had tried to create a postgres-women = mailing list several years ago. I wanted it to be women only, a la systers,= and once established possibly opening to anyone. I felt the time to forge = our space was important.=C2=A0

I was not included on mos= t mail in the discussions with the committee. And so was prevented from arg= uing my case. I also received vicious personal emails.=C2=A0

=
I have worked as a woman in tech for 30+ years. I have worked on= productized and open source postgres since 1992. =C2=A0

I have happily worked with many postgres men. But the vitriol about = our list was beyond the pale.=C2=A0

With all that = said, carry on in your best way and I will support you.=C2=A0

Elein Mustain
510-637-9106

I can't find words to te= ll you how sorry I am for what you have to live through. My vision when beg= inning postgres women is quite different but I will always find time to rea= d and hear other's point of view. You're, of course, welcome to our= group and I'd like to chat with you to understand better your vision.= =C2=A0

Have a nice day,= =C2=A0

L=C3=A6titia=C2= =A0

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