Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hEZsT-0005JZ-PJ for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:36:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hEZsS-00052x-Ie for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:36:28 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hEZsS-0004zd-B0 for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:36:28 +0000 Received: from mail-io1-xd31.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::d31]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hEZsQ-0005fW-6b for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 13:36:27 +0000 Received: by mail-io1-xd31.google.com with SMTP id p16so5368810iod.2 for ; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:36:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xrhLE/dhL0h0Bv5aTIXVFAUQ7Ce4VIw4/VqTXt1CP4A=; b=jsrcjXhLW/CYlD8i84dLnCgvZuifXZbcUleuYJbHnu5i2dM00IDgbLN35SO5hdsQ10 ZgyCBP1Nf5yWBhlWanCkrPFBesFMUIe7g1nHzuM8/Xb7b3FhU2KpViEsjqKm5ZpLwbDV NNro2z8Ho6Z56QeMUtGu2XbkMB/uBxqhyfvh9gr8pPsZI+6kmoMHDmY9HN1RhEVsfRpr y6ONO0sbdd7xIPETNic7E0hochIoUYuTzgD0wP/i+J6aIJLtfRR6MbOaBQhIYb+HPcpL f/qpCaiFYzETkcPpsFwpADbWu4TonUzZOrYbwzBV8aHWXqp2CjTBS+Q0LChmFpMwhaGN yxiQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xrhLE/dhL0h0Bv5aTIXVFAUQ7Ce4VIw4/VqTXt1CP4A=; b=YDBO5jzO++soEsLmhRJuNOHeKM/2IjTpwo4HCEICesr6n6y1InS3zPzCKJzgMLfsrJ RIH8xYWXTVDbZ9JFX9Pr8GJw3Zuhedt6i5OopfVHJfI5Fa+ex6j8d/8sdR3tKCFY63eW q5UfVTy4JZHReqYtFf78Iia5fCFmoEEPTz4hLnFSPhNz12fyEwNxuK7Do2dTdhcId5mH 6m7Z0OcDOKtmzYZPcZrkqPBSRzoEBn6mpdGMP3fxETzItQ+jmdPEGshw+KK3uqBF/QeD tRssN4Mu++Ci2OIdNMuANz3CQELk1blXUWzc2jBg6rvQwxfcDHivgzdqkyw758fgaUOf uWjA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVLBJi4cgWv7lhlhhSMRXChwd6AD99PSAwxDJR6Og67UYrhxq4Y HBr7aEb+gVtS8wUwzlvhFD+VSHqHaqcRDPLxQLpTPg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw3iyrBJMqZkD0sv4gHpDmBoUQb6MCrZ1qFUw4zUNQ6oQLK78Wy8m3UFwU/kWKC4TIh2KEfhTLBHH9fhWxSsrU= X-Received: by 2002:a6b:e61a:: with SMTP id g26mr32622786ioh.105.1554989784449; Thu, 11 Apr 2019 06:36:24 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <9c224f35-3b2e-d83c-5091-4bae3a885af8@dcc.uchile.cl> <2233FBCE-5634-498F-BF56-120E7FFE79DE@gmail.com> <50a01b83-6d49-51a6-39a9-eac069e41bf9@dcc.uchile.cl> <4e0e0269-564b-d767-1358-d56bbfd11936@gmail.com> <24fa4cbf-3aad-b1e7-3628-7cb02eccaae0@dcc.uchile.cl> In-Reply-To: <24fa4cbf-3aad-b1e7-3628-7cb02eccaae0@dcc.uchile.cl> From: =?UTF-8?Q?L=C3=A6titia_Avrot?= Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 15:36:12 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Pgday italy To: Boriss Mejias Cc: pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bb48ae0586414504" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000bb48ae0586414504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Boriss, > Yesterday back from holidays and still catching up with emails, so, > probably > this feedback is too late, but anyway... |Great proposal L=C3=A6titia. I = have > only > one small change that can make a difference in the appreciation: > > > L=C3=A6titia Avrot wrote on 07.04.19 12:23: > [...] > >> /Man: As a synonym for work =E2=80=94 as in =E2=80=9Cman hours,=E2= =80=9D =E2=80=9Cman the inbox,=E2=80=9D > =E2=80=9Cman the > >> conference booth,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=94 this is unnecessarily gendere= d language. Try > using > >> work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, you all, y=E2=80=99al= l, > teammates > > Is the world "Man" the one who needs to be avoided? or do we need to avoi= d > "Man > as a synonym for work"? > > I believe is the second case, so, to prevent confusion, move the ':' > > "Man" as a synonym for work: as in "man hours,"... etc.... > > Also, I would keep the explanation up to "Try using work instead", as the > more > inclusive alternatives don't really work: "people hours", "folk the > inbox"... > > By the way, never heard about "man the inbox" or "man the conference > booth"... > is that really referring to men, or to management? > > Unfortunately too late, but I'll change the source file, so next time we'll have it. Have a nice day, L=C3=A6titia --000000000000bb48ae0586414504 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Boriss,


Yesterday back from holidays and still catching up with emails, so, probabl= y
this feedback is too late, but anyway... |Great proposal L=C3=A6titia. I ha= ve only
one small change that can make a difference in the appreciation:


L=C3=A6titia Avrot wrote on 07.04.19 12:23:
[...]
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0/Man: As a synonym for work=E2=80=8A=E2=80=94= =E2=80=8Aas in =E2=80=9Cman hours,=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9Cman the inbox,=E2=80= =9D =E2=80=9Cman the
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0conference booth,=E2=80=9D=E2=80=8A=E2=80=94=E2= =80=8Athis is unnecessarily gendered language. Try using
>>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0work instead. More inclusive: Folks, people, yo= u all, y=E2=80=99all, teammates

Is the world "Man" the one who needs to be avoided? or do we need= to avoid "Man
as a synonym for work"?

I believe is the second case, so, to prevent confusion, move the ':'= ;

"Man" as a synonym for work: as in "man hours,"...=C2= =A0 etc....

Also, I would keep the explanation up to "Try using work instead"= , as the more
inclusive alternatives don't really work: "people hours", &qu= ot;folk the inbox"...

By the way, never heard about "man the inbox" or "man the co= nference booth"...
is that really referring to men, or to management?


Unfortunately too late, but I'll c= hange the source file, so next time we'll have it.

=
Have a nice day,

L=C3=A6titia=C2=A0
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