Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haSEj-0004HY-6Y for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:53:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haSEi-0005l0-34 for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:53:52 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haSEh-0005kt-HS for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:53:51 +0000 Received: from mail-qk1-x743.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::743]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1haSEe-0005Bl-Do for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:53:50 +0000 Received: by mail-qk1-x743.google.com with SMTP id w187so6368035qkb.11 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 14:53:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=postgresql.us; s=postgresql.us; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=q1fN1PW3+1jiV5sSUv3gF6fJ7wKGz14wcRzCgsLkU3s=; b=IL54pxxV+YGB24I5lnrvpv++HsexUolrHWjRJ87+jHczZhS9lHU19W1QJNLe/Asjdy rTdFbxfk8TvEZwK2B/eLjNSre16R8LELVUggJuoTJAXqdv9+mLbATwbtTzfJfm1PgDUD zuNz2Bfrfggm/sdqTNwPJg5VZaUS7u0KTX0GE= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=q1fN1PW3+1jiV5sSUv3gF6fJ7wKGz14wcRzCgsLkU3s=; b=j+oNRVXyv65RpYLZQvSYA5W0fWQS7JNGuhRZKvUbKYU/q3nr3dr/qY14PF1GHgv2BQ Pv9VZCEEzBj1fgkQp9SYs3yZNLImqo+139HrLJ0L2MCRuLz1dCAujkabOA41JIXHZIMM c6syBAqOn/XO+N015OAnjZfVh7ZQyMhoW6wk7J/RAtujpprbwcw88SmwlnUqXNvMAzCJ JCd4XxkJkYi8GBfFlF9mXk10n5mG0lytdrgT0QivXCKZKIlsp1JV2qodKCJl79EB2VKu WN/+Y8SSx4GtAqyQXnIq/v09EHCsUlJ9YJLFKe46pDap7pRclrQriGMpBm4i96y/2C1w 2ajg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV6F/EHeDC6J5pv9xgth0ggIBwbNgQ2YDn6HNJnEzpW9SvogVOc fGZEqZmcEVTu9X8oZxpQXSnQzyDkNtYZ+T9IOw0aZA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzRUvzkxesoPLeOV7tuPe3YyKhx4qoafHBl5lcTjofLr1TDpfKxqqZB7mvNSSIj6k1Hm6+SeHcoFHxQ9pAzY2A= X-Received: by 2002:a37:8c45:: with SMTP id o66mr32681219qkd.317.1560203626240; Mon, 10 Jun 2019 14:53:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Debra Cerda Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 16:53:39 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Postgres Women talk at pgconfeu To: Valeria Kaplan Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?L=C3=A6titia_Avrot?= , pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000eb75bc058aff36c7" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000eb75bc058aff36c7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here's a great article on the topic of how to ask questions appropriately regarding gender identity: https://www.hrc.org/resources/collecting-transgender-inclusive-gender-data-= in-workplace-and-other-surveys The most critical point is never make that a required question -- it should be optional, as not everyone wants to share this personal information. Sincerely, Debbie On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:14 AM Valeria Kaplan wrote: > Hi L=C3=A6titia and Ilaria / All, > > Sounds like a great idea. > I think maybe it would be even more impactful to do an online survey to > see how *actually* diverse we are in numbers? > > You might have planned this anyway, but here just an idea. You could do a > few pools through the Postgres Women Twitter handle for example to ask th= e > community questions: > 1. which sex you relate to? (you'll need to think about how to phrase it > correctly); > 2. where where you born?; > 3. where do you live? > 4. would you consider yourself having a disability? > ...and other diversity questions) > and then visualise it in your presentation alongside statistics about IT > community as a whole (or whatever stats on IT community you will be able = to > find. > https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-eye-opening-statistics-about-minor= ities-in-tech/ might > be useful as a starting point.) I think this will help to see whether > PostgreSQL community is reflective of a broader IT groups etc. > Of course, it would only be a sample and not everyone is on Twitter etc. > However, that will be a relatively painless way to get good number of > responses and get an idea what we are dealing with. 8) > > Would be glad to hear what you think. > I'll be in Milano btw. > > Valeria > > > > *Valeria Kaplan*Marketing Director > > > *Data Egret* > > > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:17 PM L=C3=A6titia Avrot > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> During a brainstorming session about conf talk ideas with Ilaria, we had >> this idea: how about having a lot of people (majority of women, but some >> other genders too) on stage to show how diverse and numerous we are ? >> >> Who would come ? >> >> Cheers, >> >> L=C3=A6titia >> >> Le ven. 17 mai 2019 =C3=A0 07:51, L=C3=A6titia Avrot a >> =C3=A9crit : >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> What would you think about a talk in Milan about : what is postgres >>> women, why it matters and what everyone can do about it? >>> >>> Anyone interested to do it (with or without me)? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> L=C3=A6titia >>> >>> >> >> -- >> *Paper doesn=E2=80=99t grow on trees. 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Here's a great article on the topic of how to ask ques= tions appropriately regarding gender identity:


The most critical point is never mak= e that a required question -- it should be optional, as not everyone wants = to share this personal information.

Sincerely,
Debbie

On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 9:14 AM Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.com> wrote:
Hi L=C3=A6titia and Ilaria / All,

Sound= s like a great idea.=C2=A0
I think maybe it would be even more im= pactful to do an online survey to see how actually diverse we are in= numbers?

You might have planned this anyway, but = here just an idea. You could do a few pools through the Postgres Women Twit= ter handle for example to ask the community questions:
1. which s= ex you relate to? (you'll need to think about how to phrase it correctl= y);=C2=A0
2. where where you born?;=C2=A0
3. where do y= ou live?
4. would you consider yourself having a disability?
...and other diversity questions)=C2=A0
and then visualise = it in your presentation alongside statistics about IT community as a whole = (or whatever stats on IT community you will be able to find.=C2=A0https://www.techrepublic.com/article/5-= eye-opening-statistics-about-minorities-in-tech/=C2=A0might be useful a= s a starting point.) I think this will help to see whether PostgreSQL commu= nity is reflective of a broader IT groups etc.=C2=A0
Of course, i= t would only be a sample and not everyone is on Twitter etc. However, that = will be a relatively painless way to get good number of responses and get a= n idea what we are dealing with. 8)=C2=A0

Would be= glad to hear what you think.
I'll be in Milano btw.

Valeria

= =C2=A0=C2=A0

Valeria Kaplan
Marketing Direc= tor


= Data Egret

=

<= /div>


On Mon, Jun 10, 2019 at 2:17 P= M L=C3=A6titia Avrot <laetitia.avrot@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

During a brainstorming session about conf talk ideas with Ilaria, = we had this idea: how about having a lot of people (majority of women, but = some other genders too) on stage to show how diverse and numerous we are ?<= br>
Who would come ?

Cheers,

L=C3=A6titia

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Le=C2=A0ven= . 17 mai 2019 =C3=A0=C2=A007:51, L=C3=A6titia Avrot <laetitia.avrot@gmail.com>= a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
Hi all,=C2=A0

What would you think about a talk in Milan about : what is postgres = women,=C2=A0 why it matters and what everyone can do about it?=C2=A0
<= div dir=3D"auto">
Anyone interested to do it (wi= th or without me)?=C2=A0

Cheers,=C2=A0

L=C3=A6ti= tia



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