Received: from malur.postgresql.org ([217.196.149.56]) by arkaria.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUyB-00033R-RN for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:19:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=malur.postgresql.org) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtp (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUy9-00028p-Cr for pgsql-women@arkaria.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:19:13 +0000 Received: from magus.postgresql.org ([2a02:c0:301:0:ffff::29]) by malur.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUy9-00028e-5m for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:19:13 +0000 Received: from mail-wm1-x329.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::329]) by magus.postgresql.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iLUy2-0005sm-CK for pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:19:12 +0000 Received: by mail-wm1-x329.google.com with SMTP id p7so6791133wmp.4 for ; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:19:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataegret-com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=2KZb/wFf4znJaxSCP3oowt1+6E9fGQVxwjLbvGnkNyc=; b=NNkXhOeMk4wBnZ8tmDkw1YVw/oypwIt82v37Ljdvtl43toh0Fof1rfT/7Q/JQSaS+d qTpMxcVm9JYXxHys5eb7x6T8H7FVnp/sg13ZoU+fkGTP4K/5s3g8CBFiN8cjJwkDDQGs G1IlccM/fJghz/5MjECRfNGL96jwjDJk6lzcXSa5wP7OhhRytoxjkHB8NJVGZVWEyEky bJgBG0D3C6HWrD2r/5tnF+GZDbEimgJAfbiMGon1MSIX9HC2U1HpyeQd2TMoqSyYNmVg 2wYWWnIWV/kl6SlbtXigZnBFaePDXoSxcAcxldgxZPQpw/zBx97TfAdPASTOjldAa5Gd yY6Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2KZb/wFf4znJaxSCP3oowt1+6E9fGQVxwjLbvGnkNyc=; b=U64sx2cUHJ3EZ55Xh/YBeKuVtXOhv8IKIN+m8r0Hqtss4261xf7HmzCJ6K6XggKK/Y uza3WApQbLUq0QRqANKav7nm8idBkchLiQe66HR0Qd1Jqpi7PmVwAR0Tlt43ePFgPcH4 KcdjcQyGWKYSi8fi0BJeAZxKycXI9b3RABSvZuTeXVy3kuBXRyZib/tltAAFcza4jTLr f1KO6mGah8n1ymY3TFYp8yTt7oVuYp3d/ufG+qeIzn9yGF9hqEsGQFWD1euZ5MwmUiSA MHLYZcKbQsuFOTX78dWQAYUHbldLzMfm7ve5O3c0JFGBZHIDjZ+TXo3oL6GbHqu2JeZV S6IA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAXnZqpvvvjCgDxG9XMdmg3eysWI9qwNZvbjlDipvnxsgfPOZAlv udh8Di5w3i6FJeyhZxirGL1vfl15LD7LiqT4t8FYKQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxT42fLwsD7SuKmdz7JR7YiKarUN7ND++zctkB+khX684gqeiklsGqIQPy1Isq7QLp+CdYYvSmgn8fztvZz5rs= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:9894:: with SMTP id a142mr7990713wme.135.1571415544883; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 09:19:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <10B5AA78-AF2C-4DD1-BB95-A62C2CC66A68@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <10B5AA78-AF2C-4DD1-BB95-A62C2CC66A68@gmail.com> From: Valeria Kaplan Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 18:18:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Q&A at Postgres Women talk at pgconf.eu To: Renee Cc: pgsql-women@lists.postgresql.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000590e37059531b151" List-Id: List-Help: List-Subscribe: List-Post: List-Owner: List-Archive: Precedence: bulk --000000000000590e37059531b151 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you, Renee, I appreciate that. Valeria On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, 18:04 Renee, wrote: > Thank you! This was me interrupting the question asked and I had some goo= d > conversations with community members and reflect. I have requested the > conference Terence to connect me to the asker so that I may apologize to > him. In my head, I had a story that was based on my feelings and I was no= t > a good listener. > > I really appreciate everyone=E2=80=99s attention to this and the opportun= ity to be > accountable and continue to stand in my values. My behavior in this > instance was not a good reflection of our community and I have a mentor > back at home who will help me actively review and role play such situatio= ns > so that I can remain calm during them. > > Thank you again, > Renee > > On Oct 18, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Valeria Kaplan wrote: > > Hi All, > > In light of openness and acceptance within our community I just wanted to > raise an issue that I've seen happen during a Q&A session at the conferen= ce > and hear your thoughts. > > During a Postgres Women Q&A session at pgconf.eu there was a question > from one of the attendees that I don't think was handled very well. The > question was from a guy who raised, in my opinion, a very valid point abo= ut > increasing the number of female speakers at events. He wasn't able to > finish his question as the microphone has been taken from him and as he > wanted to comment further he wasn't given a microphone back. > > This actually made me feel a bit uneasy since I feel if we want equality > in the community we must treat any questions people have with respect and > snatching a microphone from them is a lack of basic courtesy that one > expects regardless to the gender, believe etc. > > Postgres Women is a fantastic initiative and I think the key is not to ac= t > towards the majority in a way that we wouldn't tolerate as their behaviou= r > towards minority. This might send a wrong message and actually have an > opposite effect than what we are trying to achieve in the community. > > Sincerely, > Valeria > > > > > > On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:37 PM L=C3=A6titia Avrot > wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> As I'm still learning and not so good at organizing things, I didn't >> think to take people's e-mail to contact them, so I have no other way th= an >> sending this invitation here to everyone. We'll get better next time. >> >> Some quick information here : >> - the dinner is sponsor, you just need to take care of your drinks >> - the dinner time is 7:30 PM >> - the restaurant is Ristorante Tagiura (please, find map enclosed) >> - before the dinner, we'll find a place to have a drink only with women >> (we're actively looking for a place) >> >> Have a nice day, >> >> L=C3=A6titia >> >> -- >> *Paper doesn=E2=80=99t grow on trees. Please print responsibly.* >> > --000000000000590e37059531b151 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you, Renee,

<= div dir=3D"auto">I appreciate that.=C2=A0

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Valeria


On Fri, 18 Oct 2019, 18:04 Renee, <renee.phillips@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank you! This was me interrupting the question asked and I had s= ome good conversations with community members and reflect. I have requested= the conference Terence to connect me to the asker so that I may apologize = to him. In my head, I had a story that was based on my feelings and I was n= ot a good listener.=C2=A0

= I really appreciate everyone=E2=80=99s attention to this and the opportunit= y to be accountable and continue to stand in my values. My behavior in this= instance was not a good reflection of our community and I have a mentor ba= ck at home who will help me actively review and role play such situations s= o that I can remain calm during them.=C2=A0

Thank you again,
Renee

On Oct 18, 2019, at 5:48 PM, Valeria Kaplan <vk@dataegret.co= m> wrote:

Hi All,

In light of openness and acceptance within our community I just wanted to= raise an issue that I've seen happen during a Q&A session at the c= onference and hear your thoughts.=C2=A0

During a P= ostgres Women Q&A session at pgconf.eu there was a question from one of the = attendees that I don't think was handled very well. The question was fr= om a guy who raised, in my opinion, a very valid point about increasing the= number of female speakers at events. He wasn't able to finish his ques= tion as the microphone has been taken from him and as he wanted to comment = further he wasn't given a microphone back.=C2=A0

This actually made me feel a bit uneasy since I feel if we want equality= in the community we must treat any questions people have with respect and = snatching a microphone from them is a lack of basic courtesy=C2=A0that one = expects regardless to the gender, believe etc.

Pos= tgres Women is a fantastic initiative and I think the key is not to act tow= ards the majority in a way that we wouldn't tolerate as their behaviour= towards minority. This might send a wrong message and actually have an opp= osite effect than what we are trying to achieve in the community.=C2=A0

Sincerely,
Valeria




On Tue, Oct 15, 2019 at 6:37 PM L=C3=A6titia Avrot <laetitia.avrot@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,

As I= 'm still learning and not so good at organizing things, I didn't th= ink to take people's e-mail to contact them, so I have no other way tha= n sending this invitation here to everyone. We'll get better next time.=

Some quick information here :
- the dinner is sponsor, you just = need to take care of your drinks
- the dinner time is 7:30 PM=C2=A0
-= the restaurant is=C2=A0Ristorante Tagiura (please, find map enclosed)
- before the dinner, we'll find a place to have a drink only with= women (we're actively looking for a place)

Have a nice day,

L=C3=A6titia

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Paper doesn=E2=80= =99t grow on trees. Please print responsibly.
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