X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44FB7D1BA44 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 15:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49974-05 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:05:54 -0400 (AST) Received: from bramble.mmrd.com (unknown [65.217.53.66]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2388D1B906 for ; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:05:47 -0400 (AST) Received: from thorn.mmrd.com (thorn.mmrd.com [172.25.10.100]) by bramble.mmrd.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i29EbPcM026204; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 09:37:25 -0500 Received: from gnvex001.mmrd.com (gnvex001.mmrd.com [192.168.3.55]) by thorn.mmrd.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i29F4Yl11475; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:04:34 -0500 Received: from camel.mmrd.com ([172.25.5.213]) by gnvex001.mmrd.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id FVMAWWBV; Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:04:32 -0500 Subject: Re: Update on 'portal' changes From: Robert Treat To: Alexey Borzov Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org In-Reply-To: <404DD596.3040702@cs.msu.su> References: <03AF4E498C591348A42FC93DEA9661B889F5D3@mail.vale-housing.co.uk> <404CAE83.80104@cs.msu.su> <1078783781.22416.251.camel@camel> <1078788127.22416.327.camel@camel> <404DD596.3040702@cs.msu.su> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 09 Mar 2004 10:04:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1078844674.2753.348.camel@camel> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Archive-Number: 200403/78 X-Sequence-Number: 3894 On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 09:32, Alexey Borzov wrote: > Hi! > > Robert Treat wrote: > >>I would say +1. He might not be very diplomatic, but if he can save > >>you/the web team some valuable time, why not ? > > > > > > I guess we're still trying to decide if he can save us valuable time :-) > > Ahem. I'd learn that my work is not needed *now* rather than later, when > I've spent more time on it... > No, the work is needed now, and quite frankly I have more faith that you'll get it done than I do that we will, at least anytime soon. It's just that we keep going round and round on the whole "working together" thing... a similar issue came up on interfaces, with libtcl. A new guy had a bunch of patches he wanted to submit but the project maintainers had been idle for awhile, so he wanted to take over the project. The admins stated they wanted to stay on, so he forked the project... all bad imho. ISTM that when your new to a project, you should assume that you don't know as much as folks that are currently running things. If you want to take over things, the way to do it is by putting in enough effort to show your serious, killing people with kindness, and by submitting enough patches that the developers decide it's too much hassle to stand in your way. At least that's how I have tried to approach things... Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL