X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A518DD1B8C0 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:03:12 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 40883-01 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:03:02 -0300 (ADT) Received: from bramble.mmrd.com (unknown [65.217.53.66]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24CF7D1BB89 for ; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:02:59 -0300 (ADT) Received: from thorn.mmrd.com (thorn.mmrd.com [172.25.10.100]) by bramble.mmrd.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3NJ7kcM021331; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:07:47 -0400 Received: from gnvex001.mmrd.com (gnvex001.mmrd.com [192.168.3.55]) by thorn.mmrd.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i3NJ2kl23714; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:02:47 -0400 Received: from camel.mmrd.com ([172.25.5.213]) by gnvex001.mmrd.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id JNFVDY9F; Fri, 23 Apr 2004 15:02:45 -0400 Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] What can we learn from MySQL? From: Robert Treat To: Alexey Borzov Cc: Rod Taylor , pgsql-www@postgresql.org In-Reply-To: <40893F5A.50607@cs.msu.su> References: <200404230409.i3N49jC02890@candle.pha.pa.us> <1082707709.32307.1127.camel@jeff> <1082730417.95625.41.camel@jester> <40893F5A.50607@cs.msu.su> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 23 Apr 2004 15:02:46 -0400 Message-Id: <1082746966.25537.1155.camel@camel> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200404/200 X-Sequence-Number: 4304 On Fri, 2004-04-23 at 12:07, Alexey Borzov wrote: > Hi! > > Rod Taylor wrote: > > My present theory is that most users make the decision regarding ease of > > use before even installing the software. > > > > If you look at the MySQL website within 1 or 2 clicks, you know that > > there is a gui for queries, a gui for administration, drivers or > > interfaces for many programming langauges. They have GIS, Unicode, full > > text searching, multi-master replication, ANSI compliance, etc. > > > > ... > > > > You don't learn anything about the GUIs (any of them) within the first > > couple of clicks. Since many users (even linux users) associate command > > lines with difficulty of use, the first impression is that PostgreSQL is > > difficult to use. > > I think that PostgreSQL's "download" page should point to at least > * Recommended replication solution (erserver?) > * Recommended full-text search solution (tsearch?) > * Recommended GUI / web frontend (PGAdmin / phpPgAdmin) > * Drivers: ODBC, JDBC, whatever > * PostGIS > * Banners to put on the website > * A description of what to find in the contrib dir > > If someone makes such a page, I'll promptly add it to the > "next-generation" site. > Do you think you could mock one up with fake projects and links? It would make it easier to wrap our heads around how that would work with translations and mirroring. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL