X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.144]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFAD632A0A8; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:53:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15973-02; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:53:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sue.samurai.com (sue.samurai.com [205.207.28.74]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B22DD32A3D4; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:53:14 +0100 (BST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by sue.samurai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29DFA3F6D; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sue.samurai.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (sue.samurai.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 96270-01-5; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [61.88.101.19]) by sue.samurai.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 901D33F56; Thu, 30 Sep 2004 05:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Infrastructure TODO list From: Neil Conway To: Dave Page Cc: Bruce Momjian , PostgreSQL www , PostgreSQL advocacy In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1096537952.25277.377.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 19:52:32 +1000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at mailbox.samurai.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 tagged_above=0.0 required=5.0 tests= X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200409/268 X-Sequence-Number: 5338 On Thu, 2004-09-30 at 17:49, Dave Page wrote: > All the other issues are/have been worked on: I'm glad to see that improvements are being made. However, part of the reason I think we need additional changes is that it took *so long* to make these improvements in the first place; the archives have been semi-functional (at best!) for many months (years?), for example. > Now much as I like a good debate, can we please at least stop going over > old ground I think part of the problem may be that while this may be "old ground" to a relatively small cabal of individuals, the community at large isn't aware of the efforts being made to improve the infrastructure, and is frustrated by the current state of affairs. It is easy to dismiss the discussion as "uninformed debate" -- but if Bruce and other active contributors are "uninformed" about the current state of affairs, I think that might suggest a problem in and of itself. Perhaps maintaining a public TODO list of legitimate items for improvement would be one way to inform people about what work needs to be done? -Neil