Subject: Re: [pgsql-advocacy] Alternate PostgreSQL.org Design
From: Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
To: Bruce Momjian <pgman@candle.pha.pa.us>
Cc: Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>, pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org,
	Omar Kilani <omar@tinysofa.org>, pgsql-www@postgresql.org
In-Reply-To: <200411121800.iACI0em19239@candle.pha.pa.us>
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Date: 12 Nov 2004 14:40:47 -0500
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It is not outside the realm of possibility, but I'm not optimistic as
there are still a number of TODO items we need to finish up... 

Of course if folks feel this is something that needs to happen we could
possibly toss some things out, but there has been some reservations
about launching a new site at the same time as a major release.  

Robert Treat

On Fri, 2004-11-12 at 13:00, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> 
> Is the new website going to be rolled out in time for the 8.0 release,
> which could be in the next few weeks?
> 
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> 
> Josh Berkus wrote:
> > Omar,
> > 
> > > We believe that it is clean, professional and simple. And it makes the
> > > release of 8.0 actually... exciting. :)
> > 
> > I like the organization of content.   I find the graphics a bit HP-ish, but 
> > that's work-on-able.  It's certainly less crowded than our current design, 
> > and you've done a nice job making things a lot more intuitively findable.
> > 
> > > It is a *drop-in* replacement for the current pgweb design. No
> > > additional work is required to retrofit the current wwwdevel design.
> > > It's already done!
> > 
> > Keen, this makes a discussion about it more useful.   Thank you for going the 
> > extra mile and dealing with some of the drill-down pages; it really gives us 
> > an idea of how you envision the site being organized.
> > 
> > > We've gone through a bit of the current content and fixed it up with
> > > proper headings and so forth. But we believe that the content needs to
> > > be restructured to fit within navigational guide lines.
> > 
> > No arguments here ... see the collected archives of www.
> > 
> > > * The overuse of subdomains is a major pain. Each subdomain uses a
> > > completely different layout and design. X.postgresql.org should be under
> > > the relevant section on the main site. Advocacy should move under
> > > /about/. Developers has it's own section. Tech docs should move under
> > > Documentation, etc.
> > 
> > We've had a consolidation plan for over a year.   Really, you should engage 
> > more of a dialoge in the WWW list and talk to us about what's already 
> > planned.
> > 
> > Techdocs is one hitch; article generation/editing needs to be handled by some 
> > kind of online text editor.   Otherwise we limit contributors to the current 
> > WWW team and nothing gets written.
> > 
> > Of course, it would also be a really good idea to have any part of the site 
> > requiring significant maintenance .... such as the list of GUIs, the 
> > contributor list, or consulting companies ... to be editable via simple text 
> > editor or html form instead of via raw XHTML.   This would allow the general 
> > pool of documentation volunteers -- which is 5x large than WWW volunteers -- 
> > to maintain these areas.
> > 
> > -- 
> > Josh Berkus
> > Aglio Database Solutions
> > San Francisco
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