Subject: Re: merging advocacy and "overview"
From: Robert Treat <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
To: elein <elein@varlena.com>
Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org>,
	Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>,
	"Joshua D.  Drake" <jd@commandprompt.com>, pgsql-www@postgresql.org
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Date: 03 Dec 2004 09:53:46 -0500
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On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 21:06, elein wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 04:12:10PM -0500, Robert Treat wrote:
> > On Thu, 2004-12-02 at 15:40, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Robert Treat wrote:
> > > 
> > > > To me the corporate sponsor page is for the "people behind the scenes" 
> > > > that make postgresql happen. Like hub and command prompt who offer 
> > > > hosting/dns services, or 2nd Quadrant that donated Simon to work on 
> > > > PITR, things you wouldn't know unless we told you. With Varlena, they 
> > > > provide an ancillary service, much like EMS Hitech or Nusphere or 
> > > > Dotgeek, that may be of interest to people in the postgresql community, 
> > > > but they aren't providing community resources.  Sure we want to let 
> > > > people know about these things, but we shouldn't feel beholden to them.
> > > 
> > > Hopefully Elein will clarify, but I don't *think* that General Bits would 
> > > be classified in the same league as 'EMS' or 'Nusphere' ... if General 
> > > Bits is a "for free resource", then it has as much value as techdocs, I 
> > > would think ... 
> > 
> > except that techdocs is community run and controlled. if I were to start
> > putting up logo's all over the site directing to my personal business I
> > bet most people here would have an issue with that. 
> 
> You would begrudge me a 1.25 inch logo for bothering to write 4 or 5 pages
> a week of alternative documentation in hopes of spreading understanding of PostgreSQL
> as well as hosting the site?  We are not so petty as a group.

Wow, given how quickly you jump to personal attacks apparently we are so
petty a group. I don't think anyone here is simple enough to not realize
the advantages of driving lots of traffic directly to your companies
website, so lets not pretend otherwise, ok?

> 
> I understand that you resent the fact that it is an external site at all, 

Why are you trying to make this a personal thing?  I don't resent
anything, your free to do what you want with your time and resources,
but don't be upset when I call a spade a spade. I've gone round about on
this type of thing with several other people too, and I'm not the only
one who has these types of concerns. 

> Contribution is about content not logos.  I think I deserve to be
> on the corporate sponsor page.  Obviously I have not been a fly-by-night
> contributor.
> 

Contribution is about giving away, no matter what the content. Some
people think my$ql is a free database too, but like general bits, it is
completely owned and controlled by a single company, and it's future
currently depends primarily on the best interests of the company before
that of the community. Now some people are ok with this type of thing,
but there are other ways to do things. Look at ecpg, one of our most
popular packages that is primarily maintained by Michael Meskes. Now he
could certainly host the package on the Credativ website and reap all
the benefits of driving traffic his way, but he doesn't do that at all.
Now there is a company that needs more recognition. 


Robert Treat
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