X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9763B9DCC8F for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:43 -0400 (AST) Received: from postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (av.hub.org [200.46.204.144]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32069-06 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:40 -0400 (AST) X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey- Received: from bramble.mmrd.com (bramble.mmrd.com [65.217.53.66]) by postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0B99DCAE2 for ; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:31:40 -0400 (AST) Received: from thorn.mmrd.com (thorn.mmrd.com [172.25.10.100]) by bramble.mmrd.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id jB2M81kB018368; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 17:08:01 -0500 Received: from gnvex001.mmrd.com (gnvex001.mmrd.com [10.225.10.110]) by thorn.mmrd.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jB2LVdC15484; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:31:40 -0500 Received: from [10.225.105.30] (10.225.105.30 [10.225.105.30]) by gnvex001.mmrd.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2657.72) id TWDAHV6K; Fri, 2 Dec 2005 16:31:37 -0500 Subject: Re: Launching PostgreSQL KB Project Mark 2 From: Robert Treat To: Josh Berkus Cc: pgsql-www@postgresql.org In-Reply-To: <200512021253.32154.josh@agliodbs.com> References: <43908C03.5040205@agliodbs.com> <200512021223.36176.josh@agliodbs.com> <1133555891.4491.337.camel@camel> <200512021253.32154.josh@agliodbs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 02 Dec 2005 16:31:29 -0500 Message-Id: <1133559099.16256.357.camel@camel> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at hub.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 required=5 tests=[none] X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Archive-Number: 200512/36 X-Sequence-Number: 8977 On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 15:53, Josh Berkus wrote: > Robert, > > > Well that's confrontational... > > Well, personally I would have thought it would be obvious why we wouldn't > want corporate supporters participating on this list, but you demanded to > know. > This is a joke. If you invite all the people on this list to join that list, you haven't actually prevented the "fragile corporate types" from interacting with the "grotty techno-luddites" which claim to be so important. As a side note, I'm more than happy to have anyone join this list, it's one of the reasons I lobbied so hard for us to open it up so many moons ago. > > Which is why I am confused. Should we discuss the requirements here > > *first*, and then those interested in coding them up can join the > > project and discuss the details there? > > Integration requirements, yes. Functional requirements, no. The > functional requirements should be defined by the people who are actually > going to develop and/or fund the software. > I see where I went wrong, I thought integrating it into the main website infrastructure was a functional requirement. > > To do otherwise would seem to add > > an a priori condition that we're going to use geviks kb project as our > > solution before we even have the requirements. > > Per my previous e-mail, that's undecided. Please read it again and stop > jumping to conclusions. > Clearly I should have understood that if you are leading a discussion with developers and nebulous sponsors to implement a large website of postgresql related materials on a third party projects mailing list that that would be an indication of your openness to everyones ideas on a software implementation for the postgresql community and would in no way color the final decisions on the direction things should take. I apologize for my confusion. Robert Treat -- Build A Brighter Lamp :: Linux Apache {middleware} PostgreSQL