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On 26.02.24 15:48, Jonathan S. Katz wrote:
> On 2/26/24 8:33 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote:
>> On Mon, Feb 26, 2024 at 2:03 PM Daniel Gustafsson <daniel@yesql.se> 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17 Jan 2024, at 05:47, Jonathan S. Katz <jkatz@postgresql.org> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/15/24 10:36 AM, Stefan Kaltenbrunner wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I propose to drop Türkce and Polska for now but I'm somewhat unsure 
>>>>> what to do about "Deutsch" and  "Italiano" - any comments on that?
>>>>
>>>> The question I'd raise is why do we need to drop them? They still 
>>>> have content that is helpful for the local communities. The 
>>>> *current* content is out-of-date, but also having the sites up 
>>>> allows others to find it and possibly work to maintain the site.
>>>
>>> Sites that haven't been updated in 10+ years clearly haven't 
>>> benefited from
>>> being listed here, so I question the value in maintaining links to stale
>>> content. I agree with dropping Türkce and Polska.
>>
>>
>> +1.
> 
> -1; the Turkish website is recently updated, and contains info about 
> PostgreSQL 16.2 and an upcoming conference:
> 
> https://www.postgresql.org.tr/
> 
> I think it's worth reaching out to the folks who maintain the Polish 
> website before we remove it, or see if others are willing to maintain or 
> create a new one.

indeed... it seems to have been updated somewhat (though in a rather 
improvised matter it seems) - however I'm still unsure on what the point 
of the entire listing director is?

Currently it seems like a (more or less) random mix of usergroup sites 
with mixed content of varying commercial background and we have some 
duplications with other listings that are more explicit on their purpose 
for example:

Taiwan PostgreSQL User Group with https://postgresql.tw/ is listed both 
under https://www.postgresql.org/community/user-groups/ and 
https://www.postgresql.org/community/international/ (same for China or 
Italy) with the later providing more context and content.

We are providing quite some powerful backlink to those sites and right 
now it seems somewhat unclear definition of what is required to be 
listed on on of those pages.
We are also not really providing much bacground either - als we say is 
"The following are links to international PostgreSQL community 
websites." which kind implies that it international and we consider 
those targets "community websites" - but compared to how sharply we have 
defined "community" elsewhere (say conference guidelines or the user 
group policy) that is not much.


Stefan