X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F040D1B4B7; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 20:17:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 75367-05; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:16:50 -0400 (AST) Received: from curie.credativ.org (credativ.com [217.160.209.18]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1D52D1BB2A; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 16:16:48 -0400 (AST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by curie.credativ.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E309155F05; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:16:39 +0100 (CET) Received: from colt.pezone.net (dsl-213-023-254-168.arcor-ip.net [213.23.254.168]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by curie.credativ.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 560FC55EEA; Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:16:39 +0100 (CET) From: Peter Eisentraut To: josh@agliodbs.com, pgsql-www@postgresql.org, pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Subject: Re: Collaboration Tool Proposal Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 21:16:38 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200402260912.54001.josh@agliodbs.com> In-Reply-To: <200402260912.54001.josh@agliodbs.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200402262116.38479.peter_e@gmx.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS at credativ.com X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Archive-Number: 200402/187 X-Sequence-Number: 3752 Josh Berkus wrote: > PROPOSAL: GBorg --> GForge Migration > > Why do we want a full-service collaboration tool? In terms of improving the hosting infrastructure, this would surely be a step forward, but the problem with "collaboration" is not that the tools are missing, it's that people are unwilling to use any tools for issue tracking, etc. This is in fact a near-universal problem. If you look at sourceforge, very few projects actually use any of the "collaboration" tools. If you want to get the project to do something, you still have to use email and CVS. And with those projects (not necessarily on sourceforge) that have a sophisticated bug tracking structure, the sheer number of filed bugs is so large and irregular in quality that the bugs are in fact meaningless. (Oddly enough, the projects I have in mind here do *not* use a full-service collaboration tool, just a bug tracker. Make of that what you will.) So yes, I think this is a reasonable plan, just don't expect "collaboration" to suddenly appear out of nowhere.