From: Jean-Michel POURE <jm@poure.com>
Reply-To: jm@poure.com
To: Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net>, josh@agliodbs.com
Subject: Why not fork PHP.NET
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 23:11:26 +0100
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> In terms of improving the hosting infrastructure, this would surely be a
> step forward, but the problem with "collaboration" is not that the
> tools are missing, it's that people are unwilling to use any tools for
> issue tracking, etc. =A0

I quite agree with Peter. Most sub-projects have one or two lead developers=
,=20
who organize themselves. In the case of PostgreSQL, the problem is not=20
developer intelligence, PostgreSQL project already host the best brains.

On a different level:

I feel that new-comers to PostgreSQL have a hard time finding the right too=
ls,=20
installing and starting PostgreSQL, connecting locally, etc...

We probably never hear from these users, as they never reach the first=20
connection. In a way, PostgreSQL is targetted at an "elite of hackers".

At pgAdmin, I started a (very) experimental project of mass-download:
http://www.pgadmin.org/pgadmin3/advocacy.php#list

There are no precise statistics, we do not know yet the impact of releasing
pgAdmin III on so many sites. And PostgreSQL Win32 port is not there.

In a few weeks ... with the arrival of PostgreSQL win32 version,
there could be a rush to PostgreSQL, like never before.

A bundle including PHP, PostgreSQL, PhpPgAdmin and pgAdmin III
could reach (at least) 100.000 download every month on:

- PostgreSQL mirrors,
- PHP mirrors,
- Shareware and freeware sites,
- Community sites.

A real flow of people... How are we going to receive them?

My preffered answer would be to use the same techniques that proved to be=
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successful. No need to find complicated solutions:

PHP.NET web site proved successful,
let us fork PHP.NET web site

But, do we really want to become the Apache of the database world?
(don't flame me if you think I am becoming mad... I don't think I am.)

If you would like to answer, maybe try posting to=20
pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org (no cross-posts).

Otherwise, let us sleep well and make dreams of a better world.

Cheers,
Jean-Michel Pour=E9