X-Original-To: pgsql-www-postgresql.org@localhost.postgresql.org Received: from localhost (unknown [200.46.204.2]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0E9D1B486; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:34:53 -0300 (ADT) Received: from svr1.postgresql.org ([200.46.204.71]) by localhost (neptune.hub.org [200.46.204.2]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19830-02; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:34:47 -0300 (ADT) Received: from candle.pha.pa.us (candle.pha.pa.us [207.106.42.251]) by svr1.postgresql.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C316D1CA80; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:34:43 -0300 (ADT) Received: (from pgman@localhost) by candle.pha.pa.us (8.11.6/8.11.6) id i3C9YPw01735; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:34:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Momjian Message-Id: <200404120934.i3C9YPw01735@candle.pha.pa.us> Subject: Re: [webmaster] online demonstration against EU Software In-Reply-To: <50036.80.177.99.193.1081761968.squirrel@ssl.vale-housing.co.uk> To: Dave Page Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 05:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Cc: xzilla@users.sourceforge.net, scrappy@postgresql.org, jclift@digitaldistribution.com, pgsql-www@postgresql.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL108 (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at postgresql.org X-Archive-Number: 200404/74 X-Sequence-Number: 4178 Dave Page wrote: > It's rumoured that Robert Treat once said: > > > > I think the deal is that those in Europe aren't currently subject to > > software patent litigation even if it violates US law. Further, some > > of the interpretations of the laws being proposed in Europe are fairly > > draconian, and could put more cautious open source distributors "out > > of business" so to speak. check out > > http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html for some informational > > links. > > Yes, that's about right - in fact the link at the bottom of that page > leads to the proper Knoppix homepage which mentions even simple common > features like progress bars and scrollable windows being under threat. The > problem isn't even whether on not a project actually infringes a patent > anyway though - just checking whether on not it does can cost a huge > amount of money, so an unscrupulous corporate could put a project out of > business with an infringement claim that warrants further investigation, > whether or not the claim is valid. > As for the US issue - my understanding is that in the US you can only > patent complex software processes and concepts, whereas in the EU you will > be able to patent simple 'things' such as UI controls. Here is a scarey article talking about patents and generating patent revenue: http://news.com.com/2100-1014_3-5189747.html?tag=nefd.top Dave is right that just checking on patents can make software development impossible for all but the largest organization. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073